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  •  The biggest reason cited by parents (2+ / 0-)
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    for their children not being up to date on vaccines?  

    They can't get time off from work to take them to get vaccinated.

    The second most common reason? They believe they can't afford it.  The truth is, almost all of them can, but government (and sadly some MD's) does a really shitty job of making sure they know how they can afford it.

    So, yes, McCarthy is an idiot. Not an idiot because she dared to model nude rather than scantily clad, but because she wilfully rejects mountains of clear scientific evidence.

    Any concerns about vaccines are best addressed by advocating thorough independent testing as free from bias as possible, not by rejecting vaccines that have without question saved far more lives than they have ever endangered.

    But it's a lot easier to get pissed at a Playmate (because slut shaming Ad Hom's are always an important part of any well constructed argument) than it is to confront the core reasons for the resurgence of a disease.

    Pervasive economic inequality.

    Anti-Vaxers are responsible for 2-3% of all children not being properly immunized.  Well, if we include Christian Scientists and the like along with McCarthy&Co, and I don't see why we shouldn't.

    But that leaves 7% of all kids, with less than 2% unvaccinated because of immune issues.  The problem of children not being vaccinated for other reasons is twice as big.

    But that puts it back on us, and our failure to fight for paid family leave so that parents with multiple shit part-time jobs can take their kids to be vaccinated.  It puts it back on us to ask why the fuck vaccination clinics aren't being offered in our schools, so that all parents have to do is sign a permission slip.

    "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

    by JesseCW on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 03:19:56 AM PST

    •  Applying The Scientific Method (1+ / 0-)
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      Hypothesis: The primary reason herd immunity has been failing recently is economic equality.

      Prediction: The failures of herd immunity should appear first and most severely in impoverished populations.

      Result: Back to the hypothesis drawing board....

      On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

      by stevemb on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 04:02:42 AM PST

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      •  Simple fact - only a third of kids who are (2+ / 0-)
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        not current on their vaccines are unvaccinated because their parents are actually refusing vaccination.

        Simple fact - The author of the cited piece at New Republic (FFS) was out of compliance with CDC guidelines regarding her own vaccinations, which is the primary reason she became sick.

        "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 04:09:41 AM PST

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    •  I think the most important study that could be (0+ / 0-)

      done right now is a study on the effect of OTC pain relievers on vaccine effectiveness as there is an animal study that suggests that using them might reduce the immune response to the vaccine.  The big question is do those drugs affect the COX-1 pathways enough to reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine or not.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 04:31:52 AM PST

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