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  •  Thank you, Warren! (6+ / 0-)

    Excellent points and well articulated. I'll pass them around.

    If you act out of anger, the best part of your brain fails to function. - the Dalai Lama

    by beverlywoods on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 03:43:58 PM PST

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    •  Thanks, Beverly... (7+ / 0-)

      ...there are so many crucial issues we face today, but if we lose on climate, none of them will matter worth a damn.

      Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

      by WarrenS on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 03:48:58 PM PST

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      •  We have already lost on climate (5+ / 0-)

        Maybe in a few millenia a survivor species from the great extinction event we are presently entering will develop a better approach.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 04:24:54 PM PST

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        •  The Climate Bomb (2+ / 0-)
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          "In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate ..."

          Erhlich, Stanford scientist of note wrote the spectacularly incorrect statement above.

          I'll write something radical in this context:

          The end is not near!

          Of course I realize that AGW, population growth, water scarcity, etc. are serious problems. It's just that excessively pessimistic thinking helps nothing and has the effect of undermining the wolf-crier's credibility when nothing at all happens at the projected early date of doom.

          And...
          Not to pick on Warren's friend, Arthur, but these are real whoppers:
          "Fukushima possibly threatening to kill 3 billion within a month" Yah. Not.
          "there are more deaths caused by war than ever; more and more nations find themselves at war (mostly with the US and allies)." Nope. Utterly wrong.

          •  In the '60s it was already clear to anyone (2+ / 0-)
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            who could understand the exponential function that humanity was going to encounter limits to growth. What was not clear until a couple of decades later was that the specific limit to growth we would encounter first would be the limited ability of the climate system to buffer greenhouse gases.

            The expected starvation of the 1970s was averted by the Green Revolution, which intensified fossil-fuel based agriculture in the tropics. This contributed to the CO2 rises that are producing the climatic effects we are seeing now.

            •  I'm a climate science buff... (1+ / 0-)
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              So I'm well aware of what climate scientists say about the future. I differ from you and some others here in that I think that people are terrible at making specific predictions about the future.

              E.g.; You have no idea whether or not "the specific limit to growth we would encounter first would be the limited ability of the climate system to buffer greenhouse gases."

              One could just as easily make an argument that the first encountered limit to growth (i.e.; a couple of billion people dying of food shortages/starvation) will be declining production of crude oil...i.e.; a sudden, poorly-planned-for transition away from heavy reliance on fossil fuels in agriculture.

              I don't know. You don't know. Things that you never expected are certain to happen over a period of decades.

               

          •  In the 1970's millions of people did starve (2+ / 0-)
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            Maybe because they lived in Africa and Asia, South and Latin America, Oceanasia and even some parts of Russia, Europe and the US we don't pay much attention to they escaped our notice.

            I don't know if some of the deaths got chalked up to resource wars, opportunistic diseases, or causes other than starvation and malnutrition but the record is pretty clear that a lot of people died of what amounts to climate change while we were focused on other things.

            The end is here already. Just take one example of climate change, rising sea levels and an exponential growth in the number of cities destroyed by storms.

            As an architect I know that the Federal abandonment of the problem to the states has resulted in some truly scary reports. More than 100  East and Gulf Coast cities with populations over 100,000  can't be expected to survive to the end of the century.

            Around the world every major nation is having to face the same conclusions. The consequences of that alone are dire, but the synergy of all the other problems, the tipping points, the opportunistic diseases, the loss of the fossil water that makes agriculture possible, the extinction of species, and the death of the oceans and rainforests, let alone the energy crisis and the population bomb have doomed us long since.

            Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

            by rktect on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 02:49:40 PM PST

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            •  Now? (1+ / 0-)
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              I didn't notice.

              I agree with Erhlich (were both Entomologists, BTW) in principle but it turns out that he was very wrong on the specifics. Death from starvation has dropped by over 50% since 1970:
              Death from starvation since 1970

              Ehrlich wrote:
              "At this late date, nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate…"
              Here's what is observed:
              ■1965-1970 was 13.2 per 1,000 population; and for
              ■2005-2010 was 8.5 per 1,000 population.
              ( Global Mortality )
              So again, what I disagree with are histrionic, hyperbolic predictions of "doom". Your's isn't a prediction cuz you say it's NOW which is even more obviously, utterly wrong. This is a very complex question with many, many moving parts so it is reasonable to expect that people will continue to make bad predictions about the timing of "the end".

              •  How to lie with statistics (0+ / 0-)

                If world population today is in the range of seven billion people and the average rate of death per 1000 is in the range of 8.5 as per the map on your link to the CIA factbook and the numbers you cite above, fifty nine million five hundred thousand people a year are dying now whereas back in the sixties with a global population of three billion and a rate of 13.5/1000 there were thirty nine million six hundred thousand so the total number of deaths due to starvation is half again what it was then.

                Now if you get into the numbers a bit, Africa and Siberia are rather heavily represented so much like looking at global warming as an average and ignoring the places where its really intense like the arctic where it is taking out the sea ice affecting the albedo and magnifying the consequences, 39 million people dying of starvation in Africa while starvation in places like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain is almost nil tells you something.

                Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

                by rktect on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 10:54:49 PM PST

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      •  The PRIMARY reason I'm an anti-capitalist... (5+ / 0-)

        is this.

        NOTHING matters, women's rights, LGBTQIA rights, POC rights, even CLASS rights, are all completely and utterly meaningless if we continue to "poop in the sandbox" so-to-speak.

        Wonderful article, well written, and the cartoon is priceless. I hadn't seen that one before, but it's the precise thing I always say to my "adults in the room" friends who pat the poor little commie on the head and tell him how, yes, yes, but PROFIT trumps all. Yeah, right.

        Thank you for writing this!

    •  Finally said what I've been thinking for years... (1+ / 0-)
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      which is, all this wonderful progress we've made as a species is completely out the window if we (literally or figuratively) nuke each other and get flung back to the dark ages. Forget sexual assault in the military.....we'll be back to the old Genghis Khan days where mass rape and enslavement of the vanquished is standard accepted practice.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 06:51:57 AM PST

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      •  Yes... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...but note that we can try to strengthen our cultural infrastructure before the shit really hits the fan.

        That is, more focus on feminism.  More focus on resolving power and economic inequalities.  More focus on transparency, on diplomacy, on understanding one another better.  

        The biggest resources we have available to combat the effects of climate change on our lives are kindness and intelligence.  We have to work even harder on making these part of all our lives.

        If we survive as a species it won't be because we took advantage of climate chaos to advance hyperlibertarian ideas, but because we learned better how to dissolve our differences and work together.

        Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

        by WarrenS on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 07:45:00 AM PST

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