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  •  No, that idea died awhile back. (4+ / 0-)

    It was just another floater in the first place, so it would look like nukes were actually thinking on the problem. They weren't.

    They'd have to invent technology for that in order to come up with something expected to last more than a few years. Since they already made a big mistake with those 2-year water tanks, I don't think TEPCO, GE, the Japanese Government (now backstopping the costs), and the bankers pouring good money after bad were willing to go with that pipe dream. The water's still going out, as it has from the beginning. Only worse now.

    •  Yes, they seem to have scaled back their freezing (1+ / 0-)
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      This article from yesterday says that they are only freezing the pipes between units 2 and 3 turbine buildings and the sea.

      I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

      by Ender on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 10:03:38 PM PST

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      •  You should hold back (4+ / 0-)

        on your belief about what they might do, someday until you see it in action. Right now at Fukushima all spotlights are on the #4 Spent Fuel Pool. So you won't pay too much attention to what's going on underground and underwater.

        •  TEPCO's rate of success has been less than 100% (3+ / 0-)
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          to say the least. All eyes will be on the spent fuel pool because it's a difficult and dangerous operation.

          look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

          by FishOutofWater on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 04:52:40 AM PST

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          •  I agree it's a difficult and dangerous (2+ / 0-)
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            operation. Which no doubt explains why the crane operators will be in a separate, shielded building doing it by remote control. No earthquakes allowed. So far, nature has ignored all their orders to stop shucking and jiving on a regular basis.

            Criticalities are likely if the assemblies, bundles and rods are damaged by the tons of debris that ended up on the pool after the blow-out. No one knows how much corrosion the salt water did when it was the only way they could keep water in the pool, but it has been reported that the boron 'blades' used to absorb neutrons from the fuel bundles in the assemblies have all corroded away. I have seen no figures on how borated the water is at present, or how many of the assemblies burned in the first weeks of the disaster.

            Now, sudden criticalities in the pool won't explode like a bomb, but it will produce gamma/neutron radiation galore. Enough to kill anyone within range. Distance and shielding diminish that danger, so expect the wigs to be in Tokyo during the work.

            Criticalities will also generate new airborne contamination plumes of fission products (iodine, cesium, strontium, xenon, krypton and the rest of them. The glorified circus 'tent' erected over the ruins so people wouldn't be reminded of just how destructive the original explosions were is not going to offer much impediment to the resulting releases.

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