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  •  Yep... (11+ / 0-)

    except I would like to know:

    the necessity of howwhy the NSA is pulling this off is of passing interest
     Seems to me the motive for spying on politicians might be more to control the government than to protect it.

    If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

    by kharma on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 10:02:08 AM PST

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    •  They're like wealthy people who always want more (7+ / 0-)

      money than they can spend. It's not because they need the power, it's because they can. And it's shameful that our lazy and craven elected officials are giving them carte blanche to take whatever un-Constitutional power they wish.

      "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by Kombema on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 10:12:46 AM PST

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      •  NSA certainly didn't act like that when I was in (2+ / 0-)
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        military signals intelligence (in the 70's and 80's).  They had been so intimidated by the Church Committee hearings that they were scared of the very idea of going beyond what the law allowed, and were very careful to avoid coming close to the line.

        The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

        by lysias on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 01:30:10 PM PST

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        •  When the (oversight) cat's away, the mice WILL (1+ / 0-)
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          play. I blame Congress and a series of presidents for allowing them to devolve into the arrogant security state machine they've become. Very fucking dangerous shit. We desperately need another Frank Church to put some fire under their asses.

          "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by Kombema on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 06:17:47 PM PST

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