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    Dem Beans, greenbell, Simplify

    Between Joe Manchin and Mary Landrieu last week, and Bill Clinton's little attempt to be "helpful" it's got to be hell for people in office and their staffs who didn't want to go the ACA route to reform.

    Wham! Shovel to the face.
    Wham! Shovel to the face.
    Just trying to be helpful, my Democratic bretheren!
    Wham! Shovel to the face.

    You have this policy regime, and all the headaches and wrong assumptions and myriad of moving parts to sabotage that go with it, because of people like Landrieu. And the Clinton crowd. Hell, if a Joe Manchin had been around during the policy negotiations, he'd probably have done his Lieberman twist to the outcome as well.

    And now they are doing their part in making life as hard as hell for those who had to accept the policy outcome people like them dictated as the parameters. What a fucking country.

    The people most likely to think the policy regime was a bad idea are now forced to be it's greatest paladins, and the very kind of Democrat who made damned sure that the ACA private sector million moving parts pathway was the only route to reform that was possible in the Land of Lanny Davises on the Potomac are just making things worse and worse for this White House.

    Another chapter in the great book of "Just Fight Movement Conservatism, and Fight it by Making a Partisan Ideological Counter-Argument Against it and in Favor of Yourself". Avoiding partisanship and chasing the bipartisanship unicorn and trying to use conservatism to achieve liberal outcomes to avoiding fighting the Right should be as dead as the dinosaurs after 1993-2013.

    It's like nobody ever imagined that a bad faith governed movement like Movement Conservatism would ever engage in bad faith and obstructionism on a grand scale. Ever. Like they had the Right in a pickle by adopting their ideas. They have to support them. Just like they had to end the Sequester because of the defense cuts in it.

    Using conservatism to achieve liberal outcomes has been a nightmare of bad faith, rotten journalism, and people who should know better being shocked and surprised by how rotten the rotten eggs in DC really are.

     

    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 01:48:28 PM PST

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    •  I know Landrieu is the best we can (2+ / 0-)
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      hope for in Louisiana, but dear god.  I follow her twitter feed and she's constantly pushing for the XL pipeline.

      Mary is owned and operated by big oil 'n gas.  And I suspect that Manchin is going to make us pine for the good ol' days of that flaming liberal Joe Lieberman.

      you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

      by Dem Beans on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 01:53:52 PM PST

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      •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        I completely get that there are some places where the best Democrat you can seat is not going to be somebody you can depend on.

        I just think that it's not beyond the pale to take a Mary Landrieu and say, well, "NO! HELL NO! GOD-DAMNED HELL NO, MARY!" to her and to a Joe Manchin behind closed doors when they go from grandstanding to doing you harm. Mary Landrieu will not be given an ounce of mercy from Fox News or her local GOP or the Koch Brothers for her pandering to their poutrage via the ACA web portal rollout. She's only hurting the reform. That's it. It's one thing to tolerate grandstanding, it's another thing to enable policy sabotage. What Landrieu and Manchin are proposing to do to the ACA would do real harm to the ACA's longterm viability.

        You have to lay down the law at that point. You have to.

        You do this, and there will be consequences, serious ones, to your seating assignments and potential to ever hold a gavel as a chair.
        You have ConservaDems in your caucus, you have them, Big Tent and all, but you don't let them dictate what is, and is not, possible. You don't let them play Lieberman and screw the whole pooch without letting them know that there will be consequences. If you feel you can't, you are in a trap you have to break. If you are in that place, you need to do something different tactically.

        I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

        by LeftHandedMan on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 02:13:37 PM PST

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