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  •  I'm trying to bring you back to the real world (3+ / 0-)
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    wader, raptavio, bearian

    though...the next President is most likely going to be Hillary Clinton or one of those two guys. Hillary's not a good Democrat by my standard but if we elect a Cruz or Christie all that spooky stuff people say about the NSA might actually come true because those guys have totalitarian tendencies that outstrip Hillary's by a mile

    •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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      Johnny Q, Don midwest

      That it'll probably be Hillary vs. some right-wing Republican asshole.

      In other words, one asshole vs. another asshole. Rather than vote for an asshole, I will vote third party or sit home on election day. They can ruin the world, but they're going to get my help to do it.

      That said, there's still time for a progressive Democrat to run against Hillary in the primaries. The 2012 Democratic primaries were a real embarrassment to the Party; without opposition Obama never had to concede to the liberal base of his own party. That was a coronation, not democracy. Gross.

      There needs to be a real primary challenge this time, especially since there won't be an incumbent. And given the state of the economy and the outrageous aggregation of wealth by the superrich, it needs to come from the Left.

      Aside from Warren, there are many lefties — not all politicians — who would be better presidents than Hillary Clinton.

      •  well, yeah, but (2+ / 0-)
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        That said, there's still time for a progressive Democrat to run against Hillary in the primaries
        Where are we going to find a progressive Democrat?

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        by corvo on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 08:59:22 AM PST

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    •  I don't think (1+ / 0-)
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      Johnny Q

      it will necessarily be one of those three.  In November, 1973 Jimmy Carter was no one's idea of an A-list presidential candidate, over even, a B-, C-, or D-list one.  In December, 1973 Carter appeared on "What's my line?" and none of the panelists knew who the fuck he was.  People did not who Obama was in November, 2005, but to think of him as Bush's successor? Hahahahaha. I believe the next President is someone who isn't even on the radar now.

      "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

      by TLS66 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 09:34:48 AM PST

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      •  That's entirely possible (2+ / 0-)
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        At this point, early speculation aside, there are major problems with the three leading contenders.

        Clinton is a lightening rod for the right, which makes it hard for her to attract independents in the general election. And her politics are right, which means progressives have no reason to be enthusiastic supporters. Also, she doesn't seem to be in the best of health, so she might choose to enjoy her left and skip a run.

        Cruz and Christie are extremely untelegenic. Cruz makes the corporate class that finances GOP campaigns very uncomfortable. Christie comes from a state that has little political clout nationally and is viewed, oddly, as too liberal for the Tea Party.

        Among the Ds and the Rs, there is a lot of open space available for an insurgent candidate who has yet to emerge.

      •  Obama had very high name rec (0+ / 0-)

        in 2005; he had given the keynote at the 2004 Democratic Convention and was considered a rising star in the party.

        As for Carter, a cataclysmic political event (Watergate) was the primary reason, along with Ted Kennedy's reluctance to run, for his rise to the Presidency.

        It is possible that the next President will not be one of those three people but the chances of that happening are pretty low

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