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  •  Don't think people pay that close attention... (4+ / 0-)

    The GOP has a plan too, which is more about sabotaging the ACA... Very few will know the difference between these too, and even fewer will even know that they exist at all. All they'll keep hearing is the crap that passes for news these days, which is that Obama lied about people being able to keep their crappy insurance.

    So much for the shutdown boosting Dems next year. In less than a month since it ended it seems people have already forgotten what the Republicans did. This is dangerous territory, as with Obama's numbers tanking now the Republicans will be emboldened to take hostages again in a few months time.

    •  If they forgot the shutdown (2+ / 0-)
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      IsaacKuo, sotiredofusernames

      There is time for this to blow over as well.

      •  Not really ending so how does it blow over? (3+ / 0-)

        The shutdown had a definite end date.

        This is going to drag out.  Policies being cancelled now were scheduled to roll over 12/31.  But, typically policies run for a year and but renew by the quarter.  So there will be new waves of cancellations as we approach 3/31, 6/30 & 9/30.

        Plus, the employher mandate kicks in next year -- meaning a lot of people are likely to be kicked off of employer policies since it is cheaper for companies to pay the penalty and put people on the exchanges.  Where we've already seen a lot of complaints about sticker shock.

        The website could be fixed right now, the pain and political fallout will likely drag on and on.

        •  And the Republicans won't ever do anything (2+ / 0-)
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          JBraden, R30A

          else that's stupid and destructive?  

          The health care issue could be one long headache, or it might not be.  One thing we do know is that Republicans don't have any even remotely well-conceived policies, so just because they scream "See?!  Seeee?!" doesn't mean people will automatically favor them.

        •  It ends by the website working. (2+ / 0-)
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          bobatkinson, R30A

          If they can get into good shape, not great but good, then you will see the numbers increase drastically. Then the point might be to extend the deadline past March to give people more time to sign up.

    •  And when the Republicans take hostages again... (5+ / 0-)

      And when the Republicans take hostages again in a few months time--and they will try, because they're that awfully stupid--it'll blow up in their face again just like last time.

      Only the next time, it'll be even closer to the 2014 elections.

      Look.  Virginia is demographically representative of a lot of the country.  And what happened?  The Democrats SWEPT Virginia.  Running hard against Obamacare won the Republicans nada.  Zilch.

      If the Democrats can sweep Virginia against anti-Obamacare Republican candidates in the midst of wall-to-wall media propoganda that Obamacare is supposedly a fiasco, then the Republicans aren't going to win in 2014 on an anti-Obamacare platform.

      Bluntly, the only people who are impressed by the Republican candidates running against Obamacare are hardcore Tea Party losers who weren't going to ever vote for a Democrat anyway.

      If the Republicans want to try and run against Obamacare again, even though they lost badly on it in 2012 and 2013?  As a Democrat who likes to see Democrats win and Republicans lose, I say, "Bring it on, morons!"

      •  this n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

        by TheHalfrican on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 03:38:04 PM PST

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      •  I guess my point is... (2+ / 0-)
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        SouthernLeveller, Berkeley Fred

        Democrats were coming from a stronger position in the last one... Imagine if we'd started getting all this news of people's policies being cancelled in the middle of that clusterfuck. Suddenly the Republican's position wouldn't look so crazy to people who are not paying that close attention (ie, most of the voting public).  Democrats would be fracturing and acceding to GOP demands VERY quickly if this had come up during the shutdown. If Obama is mired in the 30's, right or wrong, people won't be blaming the Republicans as much as last time.

        Yes, Virginia was mostly good news for Democrats... though ended up being much closer than most people thought. I know the numbers don't point to Obamacare specifically being to blame, but the overall atmosphere probably did. Democrats ended up netting ONE seat in the legislative assembly.. much worse than predicted. Who knows what would've happened had the election been held in another week when these reports of cancelled coverage started snowballing.

        •  Both you and IsaacKuo are right (0+ / 0-)

          If lots of people aren't benefiting from the ACA starting in 2014, we will be in political trouble. But if the GOP tries to shutdown the government again, they will take another hit.

          Since we can't control what the GOP does, the Obama Administration better get things up and running.

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