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  •  I'm not completely convinced that we are born with (1+ / 0-)
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    zero knowledge.  A newborn already knows what a boob is for.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 07:41:24 PM PST

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    •  That's instinct, (0+ / 0-)

      not knowledge.

      Food finding is pretty basic to organic survival.

      The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

      by RedDan on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 07:43:43 PM PST

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      •  It's both (0+ / 0-)

        bottom line, people are born with plenty of innate  knowledge (but relatively little compared to how much they're capable of amassing)  

        Other organisms are born with all the knowledge they'll ever have - an insect that lives as an adult for 24 hours, for example.

        That's pretty much the two ends of the spectrum . .

        •  "innate knowledge" (0+ / 0-)

          is instinct.

          I'm not trying to be pedantic or annoying, but I define knowledge as "something learned" and try to distinguish it from "something one is born able to do"

          Children are born able to urinate... did they "learn" that?

          Again, not trying to be annoying, but I think it's pretty critical to this kind of theological discussion to have firm foundation when discussing and/or challenging these kinds of assertions (I include my own, which are most certainly NOT above or beyond challenge!!!).

          The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

          by RedDan on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 04:39:03 AM PST

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          •  Sure, you can define it however you want (0+ / 0-)

            however, more broadly there are additional definitions that cover things you opt to leave out.

            Such as

            b (1) :  the fact or condition of being aware of something
            IOW, that's basically consciousness - something that one is more born with than learns.

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            c :  the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning :
            I'd also argue that the ability to "reason"also is hardwired into the human brain (along the lines of Noam Chomsky's idea about how language ability (which is a form of knowledge) is essentially also hard-wired into the human brain.
            •  Ability to (0+ / 0-)

              and tendency toward reasoning is, imo, absolutely inborn, just as tendency toward teleological thought is also inborn.

              The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

              by RedDan on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 10:12:07 AM PST

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