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  •  This isn't about courage. (4+ / 0-)

    Dems already proved ther courage by voting for it and defending it from blackmail. But there has to be something worth defending at some point. A bunch of people on Medicaid ain't it.

    We need the White House to get fucking serious about hese signup numbers and they better be healthy young people and not the sick or this thing is fucked.

    •  how I expect it to work (3+ / 0-)
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      the question is when

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 06:00:53 AM PST

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      •  Exactly. The data is from the first month. (1+ / 0-)
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        If the website gets fully functional more people are likely to start signing up in the coming months. That's why I feel more than ever getting the healthcare.gov website working well will likely take away the bad press coverage lately. Remember too that our media has short attention span. If the website is running well, that may not only encourage more signups and enrollments but better press as if these last few weeks never happened.

    •  Yes but the cacophony of knocking knees is really (1+ / 0-)
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      starting to get to me.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 07:04:47 AM PST

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    •  This courage issue is not just about aca (0+ / 0-)

      it's about the bigger problem with Dems. I have yet to hear one person come out and say forcefully " We will fix the problems with the website. If there are other problems, we will fix those. For those of you who have good healthcare, you need to understand that these people on junk plans are costing you money. They're even worse than uninsured "free riders" because they're paying a monthly premium to not be insured. That money could be going to providing them health care, which would help bring down your costs." Or words to that effect.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:49:41 AM PST

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      •  I wish people would get off the 'website' (0+ / 0-)

        freak out and worry about what really matters: signing up the demographics that will keep premiums from skyrocketing.

        The fact that there is a website doesn't mean shit if the right people aren't using it.

        You hope and faith types need to understand that. It doesn't matter how many ways there are to sign up if the right people aren't signing up. Because what we have to do is win elections if you want to keep ObamaCare intact. If we lose elections, then we be talking about how to unravel it rather than fix it.

        •  I don't disagree with what you're saying about (1+ / 0-)
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          getting people signed up.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:42:10 AM PST

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        •  it is way too early to judge that (1+ / 0-)
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          it's expected that sicker, older pts sign up first, young invincibles last.

          "hope and faith types" like me know not to freak out now because there's nothing (yet) to freak out about.

          especially relevant, btw, is that 18-26 yo are already on their parents insurance in many cases. They don't have to sign up, they are with the program now.

          "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 01:58:47 PM PST

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