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  •  Inadequate Accounting for Nature of the Scorpion n (5+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:54:36 AM PST

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    •  He made a deal with the devil ... (7+ / 0-)

      ... and then wonders why the devil keeps stabbing him in the back and screwing him.

      •  You've got it backwards... (11+ / 0-)

        The insurance companies made a deal and don't realize that in a years time, you will be getting your insurance through healthcare.gov.

        A government website.

        No matter what people think, it will begin to appear as if it is government healthcare.

        Insurance companies got suckered by their own greed.

        Republicans who fear the US turning into Greece want to implement austerity measures... like Greece.

        by feloneouscat on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 12:43:54 PM PST

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        •  Its about time they got what was coming to them (3+ / 0-)
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          This is music to my ears. I've been through a bankruptcy from medical bills. This is long overdue.

        •  huh? They are selling on the government website (2+ / 0-)
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          and can raise prices.  How does that help if people think it is gov health insurance or not?

          "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

          by justmy2 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 01:27:53 PM PST

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        •  Health insurance through a corportion... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... is most assuredly NOT government health care.

          It's forcing private citizens to pay health insurance premiums via force of law (laws written by the insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical industries, no less) to corporations who want profits so they can pay their shareholders and pay obscene bonuses to their executives.

          The insurance industry doesn't give a flying fig whether or not they cover any health issues their customers have as long as the money keeps flowing in.

          It would have been much cheaper to let everyone buy into Medicare which is already a not-for-profit single-payer insurance program (except for Part D which was passed under Dumbya and came with the caveat 'buy this prescription insurance or else' - but that should be lumped in with Part A or Part B - or rename it Part something and add it to the premiums everyone already pays).

          The effect of putting everyone on Medicare?  Instant job creation because people would have had to be hired to handle the extra paperwork (assuming the US government hires these individuals and do NOT hire corporations to take care of the extra paperwork)..., which would lead to an instant impact on the local and state economies, and filling the IRS/Treasury tax coffers, not to mention the boon to local businesses where Medicare offices are located or new Medicare offices are set up.

          A loss of profits to health insurance?  Who gives a flying fig?  The insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations are only in this for the profits.  There are still such things as mandatory laws for car owners to buy for-profit insurance, life insurance for those who get mortgages, et cetera and so on and so forth.  I don't really care if these corporations go bankrupt so long as 'my fellow citizens' do not have to pay corporate insurance any money.

          I'm on Medicare, have paid into Medicare since it was first passed into law, and still paying premiums because they're deducted from Social Security checks before the remainder is deposited in my account (as it is done for everyone else who is on both Soc. Sec. and Medicare).  So far, Medicare is actually working efficiently, believe it or not.  The only exception is the fact that medical and pharmaceutical corporations raised their rates and Medicare has caps, so the remainder of the expenses must be covered by the insured person or by her/his supplemental insurance (which costs a small fortune and is not affordable by anyone on only a Soc. Sec. income).

          The basic premise of Medicare is rock-solid good.  It's only the greedy corporations' increases that are making things really bad for people.  We need a system like all three Scandinavian countries.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 06:19:10 PM PST

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          •  Good rundown but I want to point out (0+ / 0-)

            that some people qualify for a combination of Medicare and Medicaid. Because of that my medical bills are mostly covered except for small co-pays. That is with straight Medicare.

            There is no "gap" period with straight Medicare it is just with the Medicare Advantage plans. Then you have to shop for a supplement. I had too many problems with these plans so I went to straight Medicare and Medicaid.

            I think it is a grand idea to extend Medicare and maybe Medicaid to everyone. However the single payer system was rejected by both parties. Obama had to come up with a plan to try to appease everyone and that is how we got ACA. It is obvious by now that it has problems and really it isn't just on the head of one party, but both.

            •  This is THE problem: (0+ / 0-)
              However the single payer system was rejected by both parties.
              Each pointed fingers at the other, minus specific reasons why.  None was willing to take responsibility for the originating point.  While campaigning many politicians endorsed the single-payer plan with all sorts of qualifiers..., which means once they were elected they got to DC and promptly went for the corporate plans because they were bought off by the insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations.  [Under Citizens United, corporations can use money as free speech according to $COTU$, remember.]

              Yes, I'm aware of the fact that Medicare recipients can also apply for Medicaid, but there's usually a 'spend down' or some other co-pays on top of that that's quite hefty that the recipient has to pay, too (last time I checked, for my Soc Sec income bracket it's something over $300 per separate incident where I live, plus prescription co-pays for the corporate prescription insurance on Medicare Part D).  In any case, it's not as free as most politicians imply it is when they call Medicare an "entitlement" program since we all pay Medicare premiums from our first job until we die - plus co-pays.

              We need to kick ALL corporations OUT of government, no matter if they are working for NSA, mercenaries working for corporations or the government with the military, or writing laws for insurance, medical, or prescription programs, etc., and profiting handsomely.  When a prescription for colchicine, a medicine first mentioned in medical texts from 3500 years ago can go from $.09 cents per tablet to $4.35 per tablet on a technicality from FDA, and get a three-year lock on the profits for that high price and get Congress to agree to banning generic colchicine pills (which do not have food dyes that can cause an allergy reaction that the expensive pills do with the two food dyes that make the pill purple), that's just not a good thing.  Worse, the corporate profiteering by prescription pill makers is codified in law (IIRC, it was Waxman and Hatch tho sponsored the legislation)!

              I favor ALL corporations being banned from government functions.  Period.

              The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
                   — Franklin D. Roosevelt, April 29, 1938, message to Congress
              Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.
              -- Benito Mussolini

              I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

              by NonnyO on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 01:55:55 AM PST

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