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  •  I'm amazed (17+ / 0-)

    by how quickly attitudes have changed. Ten years ago, most non-gay people were probably against same sex marriage--if we thought about it at all. I admit that at that time I was pro-civil union, but anti-marriage. My attitude has changed as has the country's.

    "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."--Will Rogers

    by vgranucci on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 09:40:30 AM PST

    •  You know, I think it's perfectly OK to evolve on (7+ / 0-)

      an issue like this, as the President famously put it.

      Twenty years ago, as a young gay man, I couldn't fathom that perhaps someday I would be able to marry the man I love. But times do change.

      I think we, in this country and around the world, have enough experience with same-sex marriage now to know that all the horrible things opponents said would happen--like it would destroy and debase straight marriages--hasn't happened. In this day and age, the only reason for being against same-sex marriage is sheer bigotry and hate. Hell, even my CHURCH performs them!

      Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

      by commonmass on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 10:28:30 AM PST

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      •  I think also, (7+ / 0-)

        that as more gay people have come out, non-gays are more likely to know that they know someone who is   gay---and they aren't scary--they're Joe at the office, that nice couple down the street, my cousin Jane, etc.

        "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."--Will Rogers

        by vgranucci on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 10:38:11 AM PST

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        •  Of course, and I beat this gong every chance I get (8+ / 0-)

          and everyone here is probably sick of hearing it, but when LGBT people come out and tell their stories, it gets harder and harder for the bigots to dehumanize them.

          As the gay rights movement has evolved from the days of Magnus Hirschfeld in Germany, or the very public telling of gay stories from folks like Christopher Isherwood, Wystan Auden, and their very talented literary circle; guys like Harry Hay in the 50's who took great risks in organizing and publishing periodicals and newsletters, to the sexual liberation for all orientations in the late 60's and the 70's, to AIDS/HIV activism in the 80's and continuing to this day, more and more LGBT persons have made themselves known to their families, friends, co-workers, elected representatives. It cannot be stressed enough how important coming out is to our civil rights movement, and we must never forget those persons who have come out at great personal risk.

          Our likely next governor here in Maine, ME-02 Democratic Congressman Mike Michaud, came out of his glass closet (we all knew) when he announced his candidacy, and I believe if elected it will make him the first openly gay governor in the country to run as out and proud.

          Times indeed do change.

          Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

          by commonmass on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 10:46:34 AM PST

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        •  This will be particularly important in Utah (0+ / 0-)

          where Mormons have been able to pretend that there is no such "problem" in Utah.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 06:08:49 PM PST

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    •  I think it WAS the civil unions that ended up (3+ / 0-)

      pushing a lot of people towards marriage equality.

      Not just the failure of civilization to collapse.

      The churches performing lifelong commitment ceremonies, having to deal with the fact the state recognized some of the ceremonies one way and others another.

      The pain-in-the-butt language difficulties involved when 'partner' can mean a long-term relationship with OR without legal entanglements and there's no way to tell which is which without asking pointed questions.

      Dealing with relationships that really were Everything But The Word and getting fed up as observers.

      I have a friend from college in a British civil partnership. A LOT of our mutual friends have gone to using marriage language instead of partnership language, even before the transition to marriage equality was certain over there, because so many of us have either gotten fed up with not acknowledging what their relationship functionally already is OR are fed up with having to carefully explain that YES they are as good as married and not just dating for a very long time.

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