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  •  Great idea: Complain about something but (3+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, Neuroptimalian, Black Mare

    don't include the source material.

    Barack Obama won the presidency by exploiting a political environment that devoured George W. Bush in a second term plagued by sinking credibility, failed legislative battles, fractured world relations and revolts inside his own party.

    Mr. Obama is now threatened by a similar toxic mix. The disastrous rollout of his health care law not only threatens the rest of his agenda but also raises questions about his competence in the same way that the Bush administration’s botched response to Hurricane Katrina undermined any semblance of Republican efficiency.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Telling people to STFU regarding something that is truly screwed up (i.e., Obama apolgozied and is trying to fix it)
    is not exactly the way to go.

    It is admirable to admit to mistakes (humans make mistakes) and try to fix them.

    And yes, take a look at the recent polls.  And please don't blame everyone else for these polls.  It is what is.  Let's work to fix it, not deny the problems, and work towards electing better Democrats in the coming years.

    •  My issue (5+ / 0-)

      Comparing a botched roll out of ACA to mishandled disaster relief where folks died  is a bit over the top.

      If you are against sane gun regulations then by definition you support 30,000 deaths a year by firearms.

      by jsfox on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 05:45:28 PM PST

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      •  The point is incompetence. (4+ / 0-)

        Bush's administration was incompetent when it came to Katrina, and Obama's administration and the Democratic Congress were incompetent when it comes to the writing of the bill and the rollout of ACA.

        Granted, it's not the same as comparing to human life to human life, but nevertheless, the act of incompetence is the same.  

        •  No, it's not the same. (4+ / 0-)

          Think about the teabaggers who compare taxation to slavery.  One doesn't get to make a comparison to just one aspect of slavery, every single horror of slavery comes right along with it.

          Maybe the website rollout was incompetent, but for now it's a mere inconvenience.  Bush's disaster let people die.

          •  No, I don't think I will. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm guessing you're referring to Palin, the stoopid.

            Think about the teabaggers who compare taxation to slavery.
            I don't care one bit what a republican says.  I care what Democrats say and so, since I'm a Democrat.  
        •  It Actually Is the Same Thing as Human Life (3+ / 0-)
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          DeadHead, Richard Lyon, gooderservice

          because delays, insufficiencies and absences of coverage cause deaths.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 06:18:23 PM PST

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          •  If your insurance policy is canceled (0+ / 0-)

            effective December 31, 2013, and you're not able to afford to sign up for next year's policy that begins January 1, 2014, then what do you do?  

            Thankfully, I'm not in that position now, but that's not to say I couldn't be in the next six weeks.

            •  how many victims? (0+ / 0-)

              Is there anyone out there that you know of that finds themselves in this predicament?

              1. Their policy is cancelled this year
              2. Their policy would not have been cancelled except for the fact it doesn't comply with the ACA.
              3. Their new ACA policy options are all more costly than last year's cancelled policy, even with any subsidy they may qualify for.
              4. Without the ACA they would have been able to keep their old policy at the same price as last year, or at an increase less than or equal to the subsidy they may be qualified for.

              To be victimized by Obama's claim that you can keep your old policy , etc., requires you to jump through all 4 of those hoops. Even if you are able to do so, the policy you would have to pay more for would be of much higher quality than the policy you used to have so even if it may have a slightly higher up front cost, it will likely save you much more money on the back end in covering previously unreimbursed costs.

              Does anyone have any idea how many people we are talking about here? It certainly sounds like a very small percentage of Americans, but that is only an educated guess.

              Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

              by bywaterbob on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:02:14 PM PST

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          •  a bad website isn't going to kill anybody n/t (0+ / 0-)

            Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

            by bywaterbob on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 07:43:31 PM PST

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        •  not even in the same zip code (1+ / 0-)
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          Little Lulu

          the bush administration was malevolent during katrina. they actively interfered with disaster relief in order to extract policy blackmail from the disaster. they intentionally made it worse to score political points.

          in what fucking world is that analogous to the obama administration's website not working as efficiently as hoped, helping less people in the first month than they anticipated? it's not just a magnitude error here you're making, it's a category error.

          i am no fan of the kludge that is the ACA, but your analogy is absurd and offensive. katrina was awful to a degree rarely seen in politics and governance. it is not shorthand for bad PR. people fucking died in the streets because the president withheld disaster aid.

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