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  •  I largely agree with the definition of Appalachia (5+ / 0-)
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    however I think the exclusion of Franklin County, Pennsylvania from Appalachia is questionable. Is there a specific reason why Franklin County was excluded?

    I would also have included a few more counties east of Lexington, KY, but besides that I like this definition.

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    by ProudNewEnglander on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 06:03:11 PM PST

    •  Well none of the definitions included it (4+ / 0-)
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      and when I search for things like "regions of Pennsylvania" all of the results that come up have it included with Harrisburg, York, Lancaster, etc as Pennsylvania Dutch/Piedmont/whatever. Even Perry County to the northeast was debatable as a lot of those definitions throw it in with the southeast, but since it's pretty legitimately in the mountains I figured I'd include it.

      As for Kentucky yeah that part of the state was debatable, but in the end I just adhered to the Campbell/Ford lines since they for once agreed entirely and everything they included seemed reasonable.

      Really what I would just like to find is a definition of the whole region that isn't from the 1960s, but extensive Googling didn't yield anything more recent.

    •  Regional Definitions (5+ / 0-)

      First, let me say that this is an extraordinarily impressive diary. You have obviously put a ton of ton of work and combined that with an ingenious idea. Kudos.

      If I had to quibble about regional definitions, though, it would be in Georgia. It seems that the new state comes awfully close to metro Atlanta, and probably includes a few counties that are making the rural-to-exurb transition as Atlanta continues to expand.

      •  I live in Pickens County GA and actually (5+ / 0-)
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        the boundaries seem pretty coherent.
        Pickens is about as red as you can get & N Ga voted republican back as far as the civil war era. (Much of N Ga actually sided with the Union, i don't know the whole story, but that's what i hear - I guess that was their way of being contrarians back then)
        Metro Atlanta indeed stretches through much of N Ga, but I most of the counties he's included are pretty far out there, and in any case the northern reaches of N Ga certainly fall in the "cultural" sphere of appalachia - not to be confused with the cultural sphere of Atlanta the city...

        •  I suspect N. Ga. and E. Tenn. were of the same (2+ / 0-)
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          mind and had little sympathy for the flatlander plantation owners.

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          by Just Bob on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 06:53:41 AM PST

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          •  the difference between Appalachia and "the South" (7+ / 0-)

            There was no plantation agriculture in the hills, thus no slavery.  The Confederacy always struggled with its peoples' local concerns and soldiers' unwillingness to be deployed far from home and out of season to fight for lofty evils, and nowhere more so than in Appalachia.  West Virginia exists as an independent state because the hill folk wanted no part of the planters' war.

            Appalachia is culturally right wing, but it's more populist than the lowland south, and possessed of a certain egalitarianism born of generations of universal poverty and hardship.  Family and church are big deals in a place that industry historically shunned (so no unions either) and where gubmint was always weak as much from local preference as from neglect by urban power centers.  Religion is ecstatic and devotional, relying on grace to save men who gotta sin to be counted as men: southern Christianity was always far more tolerant of [male] vices than Yankee puritanism.  People are loyal to coal (and tobacco) because that's all they've got.

            Socio-economic problems that are generally associated with urban ghettos are just as prevalent in Appalachia (like most rural areas across the country), but it's widely believed that Appalachia's problems are deliberately ignored by a mixture of soulless plutocracy and liberal reverse racism.  There's also a strong sense of belonging to a distinct culture and enormous pride taken in that culture, so whatever change can happen in Appalachia will only take place on their terms.

            Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

            by Visceral on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 10:00:59 AM PST

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    •  In TN (0+ / 0-)

      we consider Appalachia to coincide with east tn which is all of the eastern time zone plus cumberland county. but putnam is considered middle tn and not appalachia. also tullahoma, winchester, and mcminnville are middle tn too. however the overall of this diary is absolutely fantastic.

      Originally from TN05 now in DC

      by dsh17 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 09:41:56 AM PST

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