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  •  Manufacturing jobs went south... (5+ / 0-)

    ...and agricultural jobs went north.

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    by Shockwave on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 10:19:17 AM PST

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    •  The manufacturing jobs that went (9+ / 0-)

      were generally low skill assembly type jobs that didn't do much to raise the level of industrialization in Mexico. NAFTA was a net negative for everybody but the 1%.

      •  I confess that I supported NAFTA (1+ / 0-)
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        I watched the Gore vs. Perot debate live on CNN. I learned that it had the highest rating ever for any CNN show.  I believe just about everybody watched it and most came ou supporting NAFTA.

        OTOH I understand that the impact in Canada was positive.  Wrong?

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        by Shockwave on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 10:47:25 AM PST

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        •  I'm not really familiar (2+ / 0-)
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          with the situation in Canada. I have followed the Mexico situation because of its relation the the migration/immigration debate. The Canadian and US economies weren't much out of synch when NAFTA was signed, so I would not anticipate that it resulted in a major change.  

        •  I am a ... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... Canadian.  I did follow the NAFTA debates that occurred among Canadians with the right supporting it and the left opposed.

             My opinion and that of lot of Canadian pundits would be that it has been / is a net positive for Canada.

             I opposed it at the time and haven't changed that opinion.  My opposition is because of the dispute settlement process, the penalties it can impose and the range of issues that can be disputed.  

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          by willy be frantic on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 01:34:47 PM PST

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        •  Certainly Not Good For Central Canada (1+ / 0-)
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          For much of central Canada and most specifically northern Ontario dependant on lumber and grain, NAFTA has had a negative impact. In the past, if a foreign company wished to exploit primary industry in Canada eg lumber, jobs in secondary industry also had to be provided eg if forests were logged, pulping must be done here. NAFTA changed that. Along with the loss of good paying union jobs in manufacturing, shipping which used to be from west to east is now north to south leaving the northern part of Ontario even more isolated. Places like Thunder Bay, for example, once thriving are now dependent on mostly low-paying jobs in the service and retail industries, unions have shrunk, and youth is leaving for greener pastures mainly in the west. Even many of the problems our postal service is now facing are the result of provisions within NAFTA. I cannot speak to its impact on the rest of Canada but from where I sit, it's been an unmitigated disaster although I susoect it's proved quite a boon for Alberta and rich oil tycoons everywhere.

      •  Mexican bureaucrats did an awful job at... (2+ / 0-)
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        ..negotiating NAFTA.

        Twenty years later, there is not one Mexican jet maker or automobile company.

        GM or Ford want to sell to the Chinese market?  Chinese bureaucrats extract technology transfer provisions from the US.  As a result, 100% Chinese automakers export throughout Southeast Asia.  And Chinese wind turbine makers are taking global market share from Vestas and GE, from which they "learned well".

        Even Brazil has Embraer, exporting passenger jets worldwide, in part due to technology transfers from US/European companies.

        Mexico has none of this.

        And it's because Mexican bureaucrats, like Aspe and Serra Puche, cared more about their personal interests than those of their countrymen as they negotiated NAFTA.

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        by PatriciaVa on Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 11:29:23 AM PST

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