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  •  His refusal to push the Public Option (1+ / 0-)
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    revealed that President Obama sympathizes with that concern.

    "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." President Obama

    by quagmiremonkey on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 11:19:57 AM PST

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    •  Oh, bullshit. The Public option (5+ / 0-)

      simply did not have the votes.  It would have brought about a successful filibuster and then we would have nothing.  If you want to say that Lieberman, Baucus et al sympathize with that concern, you would be correct.  But, spare us your Obama hatred.

      With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

      by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 11:28:12 AM PST

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      •  Hard to get votes for good policy that you despise (4+ / 0-)
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        When you sell the PO out for chump change before negotiations begin, instead of staking out a position on single player that would make the very popular PO better than nothing for the hated insurance industry. When you try to avoid maximizing your power through reconciliation, because "bipartisanship" is more important than the public good. When you spend over a year making the legislation worse and worse, ostensibly to get Republican votes that everyone knew were impossible.

        "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." President Obama

        by quagmiremonkey on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 11:45:07 AM PST

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      •  yes it did! yes it did! yes it did! (0+ / 0-)

        He just didn't push hard enough!

        Lieberman would have reasonable!  Snowe, Collins, Nelson!

        IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!!!!

    •  Since the White House traded the Public Option (6+ / 0-)

      away in early private talks with the industry, they couldn't exactly push for it could they?

      And now all the chickens are coming home to roost, because without a public option there was no mechanism of non-profit competition to force policy prices down. The sticker shock for people without subsidies is a reflection of that.

      There is a diary up right now from a Kossack in NY who is fine with his insurance costs being $200 a month  higher than they were before the ACA and a total monthly premium costs without subsidy as he doesn't qualify for them of 1100 a month for a family of three. A family of 3 paying 1100 a month AFTER "reform" for premiums alone is crazy.

      By killing the public option, I think the Obama administration essentially killed any chance the ACA had for real long term success.

      There is only one fix for the ACA - restore the public option by making Medicare for all a choice on the exchanges.

      “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

      by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 11:40:53 AM PST

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      •  Obamacare is quite dangerous (4+ / 0-)
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        If this brainchild of the Heritage Foundation fails to survive, it will be easier than ever for Washington to laugh off the need for universal health care.

        If it does survive, we might have this to look forward to:

        At some point in the future, the right will introduce a plan to replace Social Security with a system of individual mandates and fines to compel working-age Americans to invest in for-profit Wall Street mutual funds during one’s working years, and to compel them to buy annuities from for-profit money managers at retirement (which with the help of centrist Democrats will be postponed to 70 or beyond).  The genuine progressives will respond with a defense of Social Security.  Whereupon the faux-progressives, the neoliberal heirs of Carter, Clinton and Obama, will reject the option of preserving Social Security — why, that’s crazy left-wing radical talk! — but insist that the subsidies for the poorest of the elderly be slightly increased, as the price for their adoption of the conservative plan to destroy Social Security.  Throughout the process, the right-wing Republicans and neoliberal Democrats will ask, “How can progressives object to means-testing, privatization and 50 state programs, when those are the very features of the Obamacare system that our friends on the left celebrate as a great achievement?”

        http://www.salon.com/...

        "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." President Obama

        by quagmiremonkey on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 12:04:08 PM PST

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      •  Remember the Medicare Catastrophic Care Act (1+ / 0-)
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        of 1988? It also ended up pissing off most of those it was trying to help, and it was repealed after a year.

        I think ACA is doomed. If it isn't defunded this year, it will collapse next year when it falls far short of its enrollment target for healthier younger people.

        Soaring health care costs and inequitable access to quality health care are some of the biggest problems we face. Health care ought to be reformed. But this will NEVER happen as long as we depend on insurance companies to pah health care costs, and as long as Americans are governed by fear, resentment, and selfishness.

        And the political penalties for even trying to reform it are so harsh I don't think I'll see another attempt to address the issue in my lifetime.

        •  I completely disagree with you (2+ / 0-)
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          I think if anything the ACA has whetted the American appetite for real reform.

          The need for healthcare reform was a driving issue of the 2008 election, not because the candidates wanted it , they're always comfy in their insulated little cocoon worlds, but because the public demanded it. If anything, things have gotten worse since then and the public has grown a lot wiser.

          It would be really simple to show up at every candidate outreach with a Medicare For All sign and this time around everyone would know exactly what you are talking about.

          The 50 million uninsured aren't going to go away anytime soon. If anything they will become more militant and demanding.

          “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

          by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 12:47:19 PM PST

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          •  too optimistic... (1+ / 0-)
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            Despite Mr. Boehner's constant assurances that he is working "for the American people" (and despite the American people's desire for, among other things, gun control, job creation and infrastructure repairs), it matters not a fig what the public demands.  Most of our representatives, especially Republicans, are boxed in by their own narrow ideologies, the demands of their big campaign contributors and the money they receive, directly or indirectly, from the special interest groups.  That's why, for instance, there has not been any effort to come up with a new law to overturn Citizens United.  

        •  If you can, fix it! (0+ / 0-)

          If in the end, a timetable for bringing those "junk" policies up to ACA standards is effected (like at the end of 2014 as was suggested) comes, and insurers decide that the profit margins are too slim, they get out of the exchanges. Even that can be good, those insurers aren't going to be able to access all that cash that being in the exchanges did, sitting on the sideline are plenty of policies to choose from. If not, then there must be a way for people that aren't qualified for Medicare, aren't qualified for Medicaid and uninsured to buy insurance..... Say hello to my buddy, SINGLE PAYER!

    •  That was Senator Baucus (0+ / 0-)

      It was the greatest blunder of all I think, when he took the single payer, even a public option off the table from the word "go"! He left us without a chip to bargain with! From then on it was a race to the bottom. The insurers have been partying every since. We can fix all our problems when we take the profit off the table too!

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