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  •  To be fair, I think there was more to JPII than (6+ / 0-)

    finger wagging. And, as I believe you pointed out in another thread, there was more than that to Benedict as well (although in my heart of hearts, I never accepted him as pope precisely because of the finger wagging). That said, Francis is a guy I would love to have over for dinner. Not to discuss anything theological or political or to try to influence him, but just because I get the feeling that I would actually enjoy his company, the way I like to be with my family (well, MOST of my family) and friends. I couldn't say that about either of his predecessors.

    Ceterum censeo Factionem Republicanam esse delendam.

    by journeyman on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 02:27:09 PM PST

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    •  There Was (3+ / 0-)
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      To be fair, I think there was more to JPII than
      finger wagging.
      There was.  But not a whole lot more in the view of the media and, in the view of people like Pat Buchanan.

      Both JP II and B XVI had social justice stances well to the left of the Democratic party.  Benedict even called for an organization to regulate the global economy.  I've often said that both the right and the left have often done the same thing when it comes to the church -- focus on the sex and ignore everything else.  

      But, because all of  that often took a back seat to the finger wagging (in part because of them and in part because of what the media choose to emphasize) they were embraced by the right who could then ignore the social justice stuff while the condemned others as being "cafeteria Catholics."

      Pope Francis, however, has changed the tone and direction of the conversation in such a way that it has forced the media to look beyond its usual focus.

      “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

      by RoIn on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 03:22:41 PM PST

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      •  It's not just the media he forced. (3+ / 0-)
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        Well, let's just say that "lapsed" isn't as meaningless a modifier as it once was where I am concerned.

        I'm a very logical person, but one thing logic has taught me is that love needs no reason nor can it it be sustained by reason. Love exists outside of reason. Love just is. Accept it or don't.

        I love this guy.

        I can't help myself.

        Ceterum censeo Factionem Republicanam esse delendam.

        by journeyman on Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 04:48:22 PM PST

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