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  •  The funny thing is, a really good public option (0+ / 0-)

    might have gotten through.

    When  I say really good, I mean one with the kinds of restrictions I was talking about: refusal to pay for bad and ineffective practices/medications.  It could have been sold as "not for everyone", but an alternative to Medicaid or something like that.

    In time, people would notice that the "stripped down" health care isn't just cheaper, it's better.

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    by dinotrac on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:15:54 AM PST

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    •  not likely (7+ / 0-)

      Joe represented insurance companies in Hartford CT and I doubt anything would have been acceptable.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:27:09 AM PST

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      •  Irrelevant what could and could not get through (2+ / 0-)
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        It wasn't even attempted. A few Democratic Senators bleated about a public option for a few days, Ed Schultz and other punditry announced that it was yet another line that could not be crossed and still merit their support for the overall law But in the end, the Senators supported it without a public option and Ed defended it. Mr. Obama and the Democrats started on the rightward side of the field and then got pushed back and back, while Republicans kept moving the goal posts and broke every rule along the way without getting penalized and we are all aware of it. No good getting upset with me for pointing it out though because that doesn't make it less true. Because the difference between they and I is that when I said that no public option was a bridge too far, I actually meant it.

        "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

        by MargaretPOA on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:50:32 AM PST

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        •  why would anyone get upset with you? (2+ / 0-)
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          you had your line in the sand, and it wasn't the same for others.

          Not the first time that has happened, I suspect, and not just you ;-)

          "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 06:00:25 AM PST

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      •  Over 30 Dems in the House yesterday voted (6+ / 0-)

        for the GOP bill that strips out most of the ACA protections--all in the name of "fixing" the problem 5% of the people are potentially affected by.  Anybody who thinks that anything like single payer could have passed just isn't paying attention.  Yes Joe was the final hold out and made it clear that in the Senate he wouldn't let single payer pass.  But we barely passed ACA in the House as well.  And 30+ Dems voted against it then as well.  If we want single payer we have to have more and better democrats.  

        "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

        by stellaluna on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 06:16:31 AM PST

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    •  Gotten through how? (4+ / 0-)

      It never even made it out of the Finance Committee.

      The Finance Committee is the last congressional panel to consider health care legislation before debate begins in the full House and Senate. Democratic proposals passed by another Senate committee and three House committees all include the public insurance option.
      http://www.cnn.com/...

      Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

      by skohayes on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:45:21 AM PST

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      •  Throwing out an idea. (1+ / 0-)
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        How about if the Senate Dems push a big get better PR front by throwing out Public Option bills or other real fixes and then daring the GOP to vote them down?

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        by Stude Dude on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:49:03 AM PST

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      •  If Obama had been in favor of it (0+ / 0-)

        it would have gotten out of Committee.

        It was passed in the House version of the bill.   Obama did his work through the Senate when ACA was being written and passed.

        If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a budget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

        by Betty Pinson on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 06:03:27 AM PST

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        •  Bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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          Now, I have no interest in putting insurance companies out of business.  They provide a legitimate service, and employ a lot of our friends and neighbors.  I just want to hold them accountable.  (Applause.)  And the insurance reforms that I've already mentioned would do just that. But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange.  (Applause.)  Now, let me be clear.  Let me be clear.  It would only be an option for those who don't have insurance.  No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance.  In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5 percent of Americans would sign up.
          From Sept 9, 2009 right after the Senate Finance Comitttee agreed to take up one of three different House bills (all of which included public options).
          http://www.whitehouse.gov/...

          Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

          by skohayes on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 06:53:11 AM PST

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      •  A public option of the nature I suggest was never (0+ / 0-)

        presented.  Instead, it was presented as an alternative to regular health insurance.

        Which a "stripped down" version would actually be because we really need our health care to be stripped down for the sake of delivering better care without abuse.

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        by dinotrac on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 09:29:49 AM PST

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