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  •  get a gun and try it for yourself (0+ / 0-)

    That's the beauty of science---nobody has to take anyone's word for anything--anyone anywhere can try it for themselves.

    Thanks for the juvenile insults, though---they establish the credibility we should give to your claim.  Particularly since your claim contradicts 75 years of forensic pathology.

    Feel free to insult me again if you think it helps.  In the meantime, get a chunk of meat (or a living skull, if you prefer, since live bone acts differently than dead bone does) and shoot it.  Compare the size of the wound to the size of the bullet.  Let us know what you find.

    (shrug)

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 06:32:51 PM PST

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    •  I guess these guys were looney tunes also? (0+ / 0-)

      The United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that Kennedy was probably assassinated as the result of a conspiracy, with "...a high probability that two gunmen fired at [the] President".

      "Have a good time... all the time." -Viv Savage

      by The House on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 06:54:50 PM PST

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      •  so when "the government" says there WAS a (0+ / 0-)

        conspiracy, we can believe them, but when "the government" says there WASN'T a conspiracy, they're in on the plot.  Right?

        I've read the technical reports done by acoustics experts on the audio tape after the House Committee released its report. So I know why they were wrong.

        And the audio tape was the ONLY evidence they presented of conspiracy.  All the talk you hear in the comments here about bullet wounds and Secret Service guns and faked autopsy photos and the CIA and the Dulles brothers---the House Committee concluded that ALL of that was bullshit. They concluded that ONLY two bullets hit Kennedy, that one of those then hit Connally, and that Oswald fired both of them from the 6th floor window.

        Or is that one of the parts where "the government" is lying to us again . . . . .

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:00:53 PM PST

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        •  Whenever members of the govt believe they need (0+ / 0-)

          to engage in cover-up, that is what they do. And if you don't think so, again, I think you are being naive. Just the long list of witnesses and investigators that died unnaturally seems more than enough to indicate conspiracy. And btw, not having absolute proof is not the same as having proved the negative. The weight of suspicious items  is/was enough for LBJ, John Kerry, Oliver Stone, the Senate Select Committee, and well over half the public to believe there was a conspiracy. I believe it too. Well wishes to me, and same to you brother.

          "Have a good time... all the time." -Viv Savage

          by The House on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:45:27 PM PST

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          •  oh puh-leeeze (0+ / 0-)
            Just the long list of witnesses and investigators that died unnaturally seems more than enough to indicate conspiracy.
            Does it bother you even slightly that your, uh, "evidence" here for a conspiracy is precisely absolutely one-thousand percent the same as the "evidence" offered for the Curse of King Tut's Tomb and the Curse of the Hope diamond. . . ?

            Does that make you stop and think for even one second . . . . ?

            (sigh)

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 08:13:57 PM PST

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          •  I don't think there was a consipracy (0+ / 0-)

            But I do now think there were two shooters. And I think one of them was an accidental discharge from the SS gun.

            It explains a lot that has always bothered me, I'll say that.

      •  ps--I talked with some of the members of that (0+ / 0-)

        committee.  Rep Bob Edgar told me he was never really comfortable with the committee's findings and thought there were unanswered technical problems with the acoustic analysis---the audio tape seemed to be a collage of TWO stuck microphones, not just one. Rep Edgar told me that he got the impression some of the committee members felt pressured to "provide results" that would justify the time and expense of the investigation (the committee went way over budget, and it also had some very public disputes amongst its personnel, which led to some of the original staff quitting).

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:08:50 PM PST

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        •  I knew a scientist who was one of the researchers (0+ / 0-)

          who did the analysis. One of the actual forensic scientific team. I worked with him 20 years later.

          He swore there were two shooters clearly identifiable on the tape he analyzed.

          Now, what that tape actually was, who knows. It could have been a fake he was given. But on the tape he had, he said there were two separate and different shooters.

          •  yes, that was the conclusion reached by Bolt (0+ / 0-)

            Beranek and Newman.

            Alas, there were several other groups who also analyzed the same tape (including a group from the FBI), who concluded that there was no fourth shot.  Indeed, one of the groups concluded there were no shots at all on the tape.

            None of the shots are audible on the tape.  They are detected only by the wave patterns made visible by analysis--and this itself is subject to a lot of interpretation. And a series of other things--such as the sounds of bells on the tape that are not found in Dealey Plaza and the sound of sirens approaching the microphone that could not have happened in Dealey Plaza, indicate that the tape itself is an acoustic collage, with TWO open microphones recording instead of just one.

            That's why even the Committee's team originally gave only a 50-50 probability of their fourth pattern representing a gunshot--then upped that probability just a few weeks before the final report was to be issued. Thus their findings were NOT subject to any independent review by any of the other teams before the Committee published them.

            It's not as cut-and-dried as the CTers would like to think it is.

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:46:45 AM PST

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