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  •  The safety (0+ / 0-)

    According to testimony, the gun in the SS car would have been locked and loaded and would have only needed the safety off to fire. That was standard procedure for the follow car. The agent holding the gun in the photo testified that when he heard the first shot he grabbed it, stood up, locked and loaded it and raised it. Now, I don't know much about guns, but if he did anything to an already locked and loaded gun, want to bet he actually put the safety off, and thus it was ready to accidentally fire when the car lurched, which it did, as he fell over. The trajectory would have been possible. It would explain why many people near the car smelled gunsmoke.

    •  this is all nonsense (0+ / 0-)

      There is zero ballistic evidence that any gun other than Oswald's was fired.  There were no bullets or fragments anywhere from any M-16, and no ejected shell casing anywhere from a fired M-16. Nor has any witness anywhere, whether in the Secret Service car or any of the civilians standing nearby, ever said anything about seeing anyone anywhere in the motorcade ever firing a shot, nor did anyone anywhere ever report hearing a gunshot from street level. EVERYONE who testified said that they heard shots from above and behind--the Book Depository--and some witnesses testified that they heard a shot from the right front--the grassy knoll.  NOBODY heard a shot from the motorcade itself.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 05:00:49 AM PST

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      •  Yes and many people smelled gunsmoke (0+ / 0-)

        And so testified.

        Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

        You really think the Secret Service would have admitted that one of its own fired that head shot? You think anyone in the the US government would have admitted that a Secret Service agent fired that head shot?

        You may think that, I don't.

        •  it doesn't matter a rat's patootie what the (0+ / 0-)

          Secret Service admits or not.  There is zero evidence, anywhere, that any gun other than Oswald's was fired.  None. No shell casings from another gun.  No bullets or fragments from another gun. No witness who saw anyone else anywhere fire any gun. Zip. Zero. Ziclh. Nada.

          You can wave your arms all you want--it doesn't change that simple reality.

          What you or I "think" simply doesn't matter.

          Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
          Yes it is.  (shrug)

          This is something the woo-woos can never grasp-----the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for something means there is absolutely no evidence of something. It does NOT mean that any speculation you like can therefore be substituted and we have to take it seriously in the face of no evidence whatsoever.

          There is zero evidence for a fleet of flying Bigfoots in orbit around Jupiter.  If you want to conclude therefore that the absence of evidence for flying Bigfoots in orbit around Jupiter does not mean there AREN'T really flying Bigfoots in orbit around Jupiter (because 'absense of evidence is not evidence of absence"), then that illustrates better than I ever could why the woo-woos simply aren't worth listening to.

          The entire concept of "evidence" is completely foreign to them. Like the creationists and all the other nutters, they have this silly idea that ideas are democratic, that everyone's ideas are equally valid, and we have to treat them all with the same respect.  No, we don't.  Most ideas are wrong. Period. And we don't have to give any respect at all to ideas that are wrong. How do we decide which ideas are wrong and which are not?  We use this stuff called "evidence"--that thing which you have NONE of.  (shrug)

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 07:02:29 AM PST

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          •  Except the photo of the SS agent with the gun (0+ / 0-)

            in his hands at the time. And the odd testimony of bystanders about gunsmoke smell. And the fact that tests with the manlicher bullet do not show the explosive effect on a skull that the SS gun's bullets show.

            But hey, shrug away. Machs nix. You KNOW what happened. You told us so.

            After the sound of the shot that I'll give you was from Oswald, Kennedy was clearly hurt. Anyone bystanding would be ducking, or looking at JFK, not the SS car. As for missing casings, if they turn over a casing because it was in the SS car, they admit they shot him. Back to my previous argument.

            You never said whether they tested the SS gun for having been fired or not.

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