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  •  That sort of regional loyalty (6+ / 0-)

    Combined with the South's reputation as the "Solid South," is probably what inspired generations of pundits to insist that Democrats could not win the presidency without it. It took until Barack Obama for that notion to die, though Tom Schaller and others had been taking whacks at it for a long time.

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    by David Nir on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 12:44:37 PM PST

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    •  Which I find hilarious since Gore won without it (2+ / 0-)
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      and John Kerry came damn close, yet for both of them the South was their worst region of the big four. I think my favorite anecdote is some pundit, I can't remember who, saying on the eve of 1992 that the key to Democrats winning the president was winning rural Texas... those areas voted for Romney with over 70%.

      •  The Almanac of American Politics 1990 (1+ / 0-)
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        published in 1989 with Michael Barone as head writer, asserted that rural Texas was the key to winning the presidency.  Based on the data he gave (no Democrat had won the presidency until then without Texas, and those that carried it did so by winning the rural areas) that assertion was accurate to that point, but has been inoperative since November 1992.

        38, MD-8 (MD-6 after 2012) resident, NOVA raised, Euro/Anglophile Democrat

        by Mike in MD on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:09:17 PM PST

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      •  And furthermore (1+ / 0-)
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        While Clinton did win several "solid South" states, he had more than enough electoral votes elsewhere to win nationally without a single one of them.

        38, MD-8 (MD-6 after 2012) resident, NOVA raised, Euro/Anglophile Democrat

        by Mike in MD on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:14:16 PM PST

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    •  for decades (2+ / 0-)
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      all a Democrat had to do was with the South and New York, and maybe another state.

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:39:39 PM PST

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      •  win the south, New York, Massachusetts (0+ / 0-)

        plus Maryland, Missouri, and Minnesota, and they were golden.

        "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

        by ArkDem14 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 10:04:32 AM PST

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