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  •  The problem is the desire to be pre-emptive, (2+ / 0-)
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    to get out ahead of any wrong having been done, much less prosecuted and proved.
    If there is no evidence of wrong doing (evil doers are presumably already in custody/prison) then there is nothing for it but to collect all potentially relevant information because there is no basis for being selective.
    It is simply not possible to know who is bad until AFTER he has done something bad; just as it is not possible to know that a purchase satisfies one's expectations and needs until AFTER the purchase has been made. Expectations may be based on prior experience, but expectation and experience are essentially different.
    Idealist might actually refute that because they give no consideration to experience at all. What they expect is what they get because they simply can't tell the difference. So, for example, Barack Obama is a disappointment because that's what they expected. The idea is their only reality.
    I do not know whether an inability to perceive a difference between past and present accounts for this fixation on the idea or the preconception precludes a perception of difference and/or change, but the pattern seems indisputable. Sometimes we identify this fixedness as evidence of prejudice, but it may just be a thought pattern that is not amenable to recording change. Sort of akin to people being color blind, the faculty required to perceive change just isn't there.
    I suppose it is fair to call it a deficit because it seems to be a matter of a function that other people have being missing. Though, given the prevalence, we might suggest that logical thinking which tracks the order of events is a special talent and people who don't register order are the norm.

    •  The problem is profit in gubmint contracting... (0+ / 0-)

      SCOTUS says there "people" too...

      Therein lies the spies and hook and crook of it...

      Evidence that contradicts the ruling belief system is held to extraordinary standards, while evidence that entrenches it is uncritically accepted. -Carl Sagan

      by RF on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 06:31:48 PM PST

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      •  Or, it could be that the NSA ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... is actively working to thwart global terrorism, but you can blame that view on the fact that I like Government, and, yes, even our Government, so I see things through that prism.

        By the way, it is good to see that the Snowden affair has now been reduced to what it was all about in the first place, a ...

        "... PR disaster...."
        The political equivalent of asking a witness when, exactly, he is going to stop beating his wife.

        Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

        by Tortmaster on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:52:08 PM PST

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        •  Keep flailing in structured extremes... (1+ / 0-)
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          The more you resist, the more en vogue, developmentally progressed, eccentric assertiveness (snowden et al) will breakdown the false worldview made for you...

          Perverted structured extreme government that is a benefit to only those that flail in defending present day, structured extremes, are the target of the breakdown, and the side you are actually currently pulling against is an awareness of those stuck in caustic emotional expansiveness of a false domestic security...

          I like government for the commons too...  Good luck and goodwill to you in understanding acceptance in present day-

          I am an energy and force in developmental tension that is where folks head for, when they become sick to death of holding the end of the rope that are pulling in emotional expansiveness for a realized false domestic security, or in your case; at the breaking point in perverted, structured relational extremes... (corrupt government that benefits 1%)

          The emotional folks are abandoning the tug of war with the structured extremer types, in droves; and soon there will be no resistance on the other end of the rope, and the energy holding your type up will dissolve, and those that insist to resist will fall flat on their third point of contact; count on it-

          Evidence that contradicts the ruling belief system is held to extraordinary standards, while evidence that entrenches it is uncritically accepted. -Carl Sagan

          by RF on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 06:23:26 AM PST

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