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  •  I'm not talking about the response, I'm (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, misslegalbeagle

    talking about the preacher's right to free speech, something that you seen to oppose.

    •  You are wrong. (6+ / 0-)

      I do not oppose the preacher being there at all. I oppose the police and university response to the student. Do I find the preacher odious? Absolutely. But I never said she should be removed. The diary is not about stopping speech. It's about spotlighting police abuse.

      •  Others in the diary (1+ / 0-)
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        bastrop

        have argued that she should be removed, though, and predictably that is drawing people who are inclined to accept abuses of authority to strawman your own arguments by pretending that you too are arguing against free speech.  This way they get to feel good about themselves for "standing up for free speech" against all those false progressives who just want to outlaw anything they don't like, and they can ignore your real points entirely.

    •  You're derailing the diary. (1+ / 0-)
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      carver

      The diary is about police abuse.

      Stop trying to make it about something else.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:30:42 AM PST

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      •  The issue is, in fact, ... (0+ / 0-)

        how the police responded to the “intrusion” of a student into the “rights” of the speaker of hate.  However, the question of what “rights” said speaker is reasonably afforded and that the rights of the opposition is afforded the same protection.  I don't question a citizen's right to speak freely on any issue, as the Constitution dictates, but they don't have the right to use Draconian methods to suppress the speech of the legitimate opposition.  Protecting a speaker's rights against violent response toward their positions (hateful or not) is the duty of the police.  That duty does not extend to protecting the speaker's ideology, in fact, the duty is to protect the speech of the opposition's point of view with equal diligence.

        Never get into a battle of wits with the unarmed. [-8.25 / -5.64]

        by carver on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 11:00:11 AM PST

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