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  •  Is your point that terrorism should work? (3+ / 0-)
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    FG, MDhome, Lujane

    Is the message to everyone out there that if you want to make a government change it's policies, kill innocent people and blow stuff up?  Because that seems to be the message.  I may not agree with how the U.S., Iran, or any other country tries to impose their will, but to think that this is a constructive way to get them to change, is very dangerous.  I can only hope that this message; that terrorism works; quickly ends.  If Iran uses this bombing as a reason to change course, just think of the next group that wants to change policy.  Wonder how they'll go about their mission.

    •  terrorism usually does work (3+ / 0-)
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      Nowhere Man, happymisanthropy, Lujane

      Look at how we lost our minds after 9/11.

      Terrorism is passive-aggressive, psychology-heavy warfare waged by people without the means to fight a conventional war.  If you can't simply scare your enemy away, it works just as well if you can bait them into becoming complete monsters.  Terrorists are just as happy to to piss you off and make you charge in guns blazing, thereby driving fencesitters into their camp.  Counterinsurgency (really counterterror) is the same way: the real target is not the actual enemy, but the population that hides and supports him - make it too costly for them to support the insurgents/guerrillas.

      If Iran doesn't run, they'll only dig in deeper.  They'll order their proxies to assert more direct control over their territories and the people there, confident that the official authorities will respond with more aggressive measures themselves, alienating those countries' Shiite minorities further.  Hezbollah is deeply rooted already, with as much legitimacy for its social work - which is right out of Mao: the master of guerrilla warfare - as for its sectarian militia role.  The result is a vicious circle of strike and counterstrike, massacre and countermassacre, purge and counterpurge, with the goal on both sides of "neutralizing" the civilian population one way or another.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:47:21 AM PST

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    •  Quite the opposite (2+ / 0-)
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      taffers, Lujane

      I'm discussing the adventurism that makes enemies and eventually makes a country a target for terrorists. In the end, I'm not even saying we shouldn't get involved. I suffer from hubris in believing we are probably the indispensable nation, and that we should get involved when bad guys are doing bad things to good people. However, it comes at a great price. I wonder if the Iranians really appreciated how high a price it might be.

      Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

      by FischFry on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 12:47:47 PM PST

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      •  Fair enough. And I more often than not feel the (2+ / 0-)
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        Lujane, FischFry

        same way about the U.S.  I don't see myself as a "hawk", but I do see the need to occasionally involve ourselves in other nations affairs.  Especially when innocent people are being abused and killed. However, it seems to be more and more difficult to determine who the "bad people" are.

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