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  •  Of course they do. (1+ / 0-)
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    Those subsidies have to be paid from somewhere.

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    by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:23:23 AM PST

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    •  They've been paying (5+ / 0-)

      for the uninsured to go to ERs.  Will they be open to change their opinion the same as someone with a prior illness who can now get insurance?

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      by DRo on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:29:00 AM PST

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      •  Let's see how that plays out. (1+ / 0-)
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        I would be surprised if the savings from not treating people in emergency rooms for highly overpriced comes anywhere close to the cost of subsidies, especially once employers start cutting back on health care benefits.

        I could, of course, be wrong.
        This is one of those times where it would be very nice to be very wrong.

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        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:50:41 AM PST

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        •  This is exactly what the Admin needed to show (1+ / 0-)
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          What is the average $ amount each taxpayer is paying with the old system to make ER visits for the uninsured happen and the $ increase and for X% of taxpayers (mostly young I would think) with ACA. Finally, this versus the # of newly insured.

          Lots of back work needed but simple one slide with large numbers

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          by browneverywhere on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:15:27 AM PST

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          •  You're right about the presentation. (0+ / 0-)

            I have no idea how much work would be involved to find the numbers.  

            There is another  potential for big savings, and I don't know if ACA hits it at all.

            Doctor's offices pay a hefty pile of money to navigate their patients' insurance.  If ACA makes that process easier (read cheaper) there is potential for costs to go down and insurance rates with them.  I know my old doctor gave us a very noticable discount for using cash.

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            by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:28:12 AM PST

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    •  A healthier population can easily afford the (3+ / 0-)
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      subsidy. Less expensive than a sick population.

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      by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:31:58 AM PST

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      •  A specific group within that healthier population. (0+ / 0-)

        What would really help is a healthier economy that produced more and better jobs so that the young people who are bearing the extra cost feel sufficiently prosperous and secure that the cost is seen as no burden.

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        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:52:14 AM PST

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        •  The major portion of the population is healthy. (0+ / 0-)

          That is why insurance works at all. What has happened is that insurance got too greedy.

          Young people take way more risks than old people. They need insurance just as much for different reasons. True they feel invincible, but also true they sign each other's casts.

          Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

          by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:10:06 AM PST

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          •  The subsidies depend on them to change their (0+ / 0-)

            behavior by buying insurance they didn't buy before, even with higher prices.  That's the tricky part.  Might be an easier sell as the penalty for not buying insurance goes up.

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            by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:25:49 AM PST

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            •  Maybe not let them play in sports leagues unless (0+ / 0-)

              they can show proof of insurance, no tickets to the ski lift unless they can show proof of insurance. Etc. Especially for the 28-45 yo's who think they are still teenagers.

              These people have small children. They need to grow up.

              Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

              by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:32:40 AM PST

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            •  This would be too mean. Charge them a surtax on (0+ / 0-)

              all sports equipment unless they can show proof of insurance. That way they would pay their own way at the ER where they go to get patched up.

              Want to get a rock climbing permit, proof of insurance please.

              Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

              by 88kathy on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:38:02 AM PST

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    •  fairly basic insurance concept (1+ / 0-)
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      although now the conservatives and teabaggers seem to have turned against the concept of insurance altogether.

      •  That's actually a great idea. Insurance seems (0+ / 0-)

        like a lousy way to deal with health care.

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        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:58:30 AM PST

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