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  •  Uhh (1+ / 0-)
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    We know this, they don't.... So, how do we fix that?

    You have your right to your opinion, I will grant you that, but do not denigrate my right to mine!

    by MrQA on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 06:41:36 PM PST

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    •  I have no idea. (0+ / 0-)

      I really have to hand it to the natural gas publicists. They have all of WV salivating about how much money we are going to get from the Marcellus Shale boom. But somehow it never is mentioned that that will come at the expense of the coal industry.

      There was a bit of a fuss a few years ago when it came out that the natural gas companies were helping to finance the Sierra Club campaign against coal-fired power plants. But somehow that got drowned out by the Obama/EPA meme.

      I suspect that a big part of what is going on is that much of the money behind the gas industry is the same that is behind the coal industry. They don't really care which one wins, but they want someone else to take the blame for the other losing.

      Trying to talk to coal miners about this is like trying to explain to buggy whip makers a century ago that their services are no longer needed.

      •  You said: (1+ / 0-)
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        There was a bit of a fuss a few years ago when it came out that the natural gas companies were helping to finance the Sierra Club campaign against coal-fired power plants. But somehow that got drowned out by the Obama/EPA meme.
        In the past times of the the Sierra Club when it was headed by Carl Pope, SC did indeed accept money from the natural gas industry.  

        Under Carl Pope, the Sierra Club used those funds to finance its "beyond coal" campaign.   Sierra Club's efforts under Pope were astonishingly successful at heading off several new coal plant proposals that surfaced in the Bush years.   Sierra Club was also successful in bringing pressure on coal-fired electric utility plants on a range of environmental compliance matters in order to help motivate electric utilities into making early closure decisions for coal plants utilities were not interested in upgrading for future compliance.

        That the Sierra Club was able to defeat all of the coal plant proposals it did means that the United States and electric utilities are in a far more favorable position on greenhouse gas emission control measures needed than if the Sierra Club had not carried out that campaign and all of the coal plants were constructed.

        Speaking as a 24 year Sierra Club member and volunteer, I'm glad Carl Pope and Sierra Club accepted those funds from the natural gas industry because it made an enormous difference to the long term trajectory of greenhouse gas emission control measures for the United States.

        •  There isn't argument to be made about this (1+ / 0-)
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          outstanding success by the Sierra Club in reducing emissions of greenhouse gases from coal-fired electric utilities.   See Daily Kos Diarist Mary Anne Hitt for some narrative on this:

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          I should also add that other groups were involved in these campaigns addressing coal burning electric utilities, such as NRDC, Earthjustice, NWF, Clean Air Task Force and others.   However, it was the Sierra Club efforts under Carl Pope that deserves the bulk of the credit for this emission reduction achievement and the successful effort to head of new coal plant construction.

        •  I also am glad that the Sierra Club accepted (0+ / 0-)

          money from the gas industry. In no way did I mean to imply any criticism of them or any other environmental groups.

          I was just trying to express my sense of irony that the gas industry was providing support to this effort while at the same time posing as friends of the other extraction industries. Meanwhile the coal mining communities, which consider themselves the victims of all this change, look to the gas industry to rescue them.

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