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  •  Hillary would carry more of the male vote (1+ / 0-)
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    because she's not seen as weak on defense. The Hillary haters helpfully paint her as warmonger :-)

    Warren has zero cred on defense matters. And it's too much to expect that another perfectly timed economic meltdown will blast the Dem candidate into the WH again in 2016.

    •  Elections are won and lost on pocketbook issues. (3+ / 0-)
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      divineorder, dclawyer06, NoMoreLies

      Particularly as pertains to the presidency, and most particularly in these times.
         Defense issues are very far from front and center at this time, and let's hope they remain that way.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 01:07:05 PM PST

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    •  Pro tip: It's not 2004 anymore. (6+ / 0-)

      Being seen as a hardliner hawk isn't the political goldmine it was a half decade ago. Remember how eager the country was to get into it with Syria?

      And yet HRC's hawk stance will play better with the 2016 electorate than Warren's common-sense populism in a "permanent mild depression economy"? Are we gonna coast to victory on implied threats to Iran or something?

      I think you're stereotyping male voters. "They'll never vote for a woman if she's not a hardliner hawk, so Warren has no chance." Or maybe you're stereotyping women as needing to be hawks in order to be elected.... I dunno. Either way, you're wrong, and you're handicapping women political figures by doing so. Of course any woman running for President will have a tougher time of it than a man, but it's just not as simple as "be a hawk, get the male vote".

      I also like how liberally you use the term "Hillary haters" for both rabid right-wingers and Demswho oppose HRC as The Inevitable Candidate. Two totally similar groups!

      Poor Hillary, everyone wants her to lose because she's a woman. That's why the Haters would rather have Warren instead. lol wut?

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 01:56:42 PM PST

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      •  Far left males are a tiny part of the electorate (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm sure many a DKos poster would vote for Warren in the general. But that's not typical. The Republicans would eat her for breakfast.

        •  Do you have some data to support your assertions? (5+ / 0-)

          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 03:29:57 PM PST

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        •  Well then, it's settled. (7+ / 0-)

          We can't run Warren because the Republicans hate her and will never vote for her.

          Let's go with Hillary Clinton instead. I'm sure they'll be lots of aisle-crossing on the part of Republican voters for Hillary Clinton.

          Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

          by Boogalord on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 03:56:13 PM PST

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          •  We have polling data about that (1+ / 0-)
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            All the work Hillary has put into reducing the gender gap for herself has paid off.

            I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary running to the left of where she did last time. She ran much too far to her right out of fear of being perceived as "weak" by the male electorate. This time she can probably afford to run a bit closer to her true positions.

            •  link? (2+ / 0-)
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              "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

              by elwior on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 06:39:13 PM PST

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              •  How Hillary polls against various Republicans (0+ / 0-)

                has been reported here on DKos more than once. The only one who has a shot against her is Christie, who ties with her in a recent Quinnipiac poll.

                In an early look at the 2016 presidential campaign, 43 percent of American voters back New Jersey's Republican Governor, Christopher Christie, while 42 percent back former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Democrat, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

                Ms. Clinton has leads of nine points or more against other possible Republican contenders, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds:

                    49 - 40 percent over U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky;
                    51 - 36 percent over U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas;
                    49 - 40 percent over U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin.

                The gender gap in the Christie-Clinton matchup is obvious: women go to the Democrat 48 - 39 percent while men go Republican 47 - 35 percent. Independent voters go to Christie 48 - 32 percent, with Democrats for Clinton 85 - 6 percent and Republicans for Christie 85 - 5 percent. White voters back Christie 50 - 35 percent with Clinton ahead 77 - 12 percent among black voters and 46 - 38 percent among Hispanic voters.

        •  That's fine; we don't need them (0+ / 0-)

          Warren would run as a populist. Not as "far left". Her target audience, aside from women, minorities, and cultural Dems, isn't the "far left", it's average Americans down on their luck.

          She might be the Senator from Massachusetts, but she's from Oklahoma fer cryin' out loud. It's noticeable in her speech, and she can damn well play on that. If Mitt Romney can run on having been the governor of MA and still pull off his real home-state advantage in Utah, Warren can play both sides too.

          Hillary... I guess she's from IL, college in MA, career in AR, and now represents NY. It's not that far off.

          Mind you, I don't think she'll run. And I'm not convinced the best place to move the Dems to the Left is in the presidency any longer. But populist rhetoric from the White House will help the political situation. Even an aborted but spirited campaign by Warren could push Hillary into adopting that as her own.

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