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  •  Half of that I can agree with-but I don't believe, (2+ / 0-)
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    Batya the Toon, Tonedevil

    and never have, that "racist and misogynistic" are "normal".  They may be all too prevalent, in some circles, but I don't believe they're normal-or as commonplace as some media would have us believe.

    Thankfully, as the younger generation(s) grow up, they'll be even less so!

    I do agree with you absolutely, Batya, that his biggest problem is that he is "violent and unstable".  The rest of us need to be protected from him.


    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 01:51:54 PM PST

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    •  They are normal in the sense (2+ / 0-)
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      that plenty of completely normal people are racist and/or misogynistic.  And because they're not also violent and unstable, they don't commit hate crimes toward the objects of their racism and/or misogyny -- just countless little micro-aggressions.  Or maybe not even that; just a privately held, unexamined, maybe even unconscious sense of superiority that manifests in even subtler ways.  Virtually harmless, some of them.  (Certainly relatively harmless.)

      They're also normal in the sense that they're pervasive in our society and it is virtually impossible to avoid absorbing them.  I've got old racism and internalized sexism that I am still dragging out of my brain's basement every other day.

      They are not "normal" in the sense of "acceptable" or "needing no change," but frankly I've always hated that usage of the word "normal" anyway.

      •  We're in agreement, then. The problem seems to be (2+ / 0-)
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        the word "normal"....not in your use of it, but that it fails to convey what we both obviously mean.

        I'm going to have to give some thought to the idea that racism or misogyny is normal, even in that sense.  I believe that those concepts have to be taught.

        That said, I appreciate your very thoughtful response.  Thank you!


        We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

        by The Marti on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 05:10:23 PM PST

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        •  I think you may be right. (2+ / 0-)
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          I have been waffling back and forth for some time on the question of whether or not any sort of bigotry needs to be taught.  Right now I'm leaning towards a "yes, but" answer:  yes, it does need to be taught, but the teaching happens at a widespread cultural level, and a lot of it happens by omission (e.g., leaving women and minorities out of the literary or historical canon).  And then counter-education becomes necessary to get people to unlearn the things they've been taught.

          And thanks back atcha.  :)

          •  All behavior is learned (0+ / 0-)

            We aren't born knowing how to hate.  We acquire the knowledge as we grow and develop. There may be some genetics that make one person more predisposed to bigotry than another, but that's only a potential.  It doesn't have to be realized potential.

            I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

            by mojo11 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:08:20 PM PST

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            •  One of the most powerful commercials (1+ / 0-)
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              I've ever seen - and I cannot dredge up what the commercial was for, although it seems like it would have been a PSA on tolerance - has a voice over saying there are two instances in life where no one knows who their neighbors are and then shows a hospital nursery full of newborn babies, followed by a cemetery full of headstones.

              Really powerful images.

              Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring and integrity, they think of you. H. Jackson Brown, Jr.

              by Ellen Columbo on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 06:52:27 PM PST

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