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View Diary: The Progressive Advantage on Gun Control and Disadvantage on Climate Change: It’s in the Language (20 comments)

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  •  Hey Gooserock! (0+ / 0-)

    This is an example of what I am talking about: liberal contrarianism. This commenter is interested in showing off his/her appreciation for the ironic use of language (i.e. sophistication) and her/his critical thinking abilities. The point that violence is a complex issue is fair, and warrants investigation. But notice the lack of inclination to cooperate, evidenced by the fact that (s)he fails to interpret what I am saying charitably or give a sympathetic rendition of my arguments, even though (s)he agrees that the basic purpose of the site is to be a liberal website. This commenter is totally making a man of straw out of my arguments. At no point did I say conservatives or stupid. I did not advocate making over-simplistic, boorish rhetorical appeals. I advocate making good use of a tactical advantage, an advantage that lies deep in the structure of our grammar and the way that we reason about serious issues.

    There will always be plenty of things to compute in the detailed affairs of millions of people doing complicated things. -Vannevar Bush 1945

    by Nathan Jaco on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 07:20:33 PM PST

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    •  Jaco, re: issue of gun ownership (0+ / 0-)

      This is a real policy question, and your diary reduced to an element of the partisan wars.  I happen to find Lakoff rather reprehensible, as he has no appreciation of the fragility of language as a means for developing reasonable policies for a complex society with different perspectives and interests.

      To be a political operative one has to look at the effectiveness of language used for a purpose, to gain adherents to party, ideology, and legislation.  Language then is a form of mass control, made simple along with illustration, rousing music, and caricatures of the enemy.

      If you did not advocate making over-simplistic arguments, it certainly could be taken that way.  I, and I'm a he, did sense that you were writing this diary as if it were a closed Democratic session, where pragmatic methods of gaining partisan advantage can be analysed strictly on whether it will vilify the opposition and make "our team" look good.

      Dailykos is partly this, but also open to a wider view.  Your diary made the assumption that aggressive gun control is a "good" ignoring that this is exactly the simplistic solution for a complex problem that you attribute to the "other" conservatives as a broad generalization.

      There are simplistic conservatives, but also brilliant ones, such as Friedrich Heyack, whom I recommend your reading, --"road to serfdom" would be beginning.  He is misinterpreted by many Republicans who probably never read him in depth.  

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