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  •  It isn't me that's justifying (3+ / 0-)
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    ZhenRen, LaEscapee, poligirl

    "benevolent leadership."

    Maybe it's you?  Go back and read ZhenRen's posts on how anarchist governance works.

    “All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out.” – I.F. Stone

    by Cassiodorus on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 11:03:26 AM PST

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    •  I've read it and responded to it (1+ / 0-)
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      duhban

      Doesn't mean it's not full of holes based on idealistic assumptions of human nature.

      Any system can be made to work well and fairly enough - the will to define "success" differently than today is key.

      I really don't care who is in charge of one level or another of an organization, so long as the processes to keep them responsible are best put into place.  That's not justifying benevolent leadership, but noting that structure, alone, does not have a big impact on human nature.

      How you run any system is based on the values you seek - even a type of monarchy can be run fairly for most folks, if the fair values are kept as highest priority and competent folks not only run the implementation of their processes, but there's also a mechanism to check the worst excesses - those excesses are not exclusively caused by which level in the hierarchy is considered, especially if checks on power are respected and put in place (i.e., even a monarchical system could be balanced by limiting the powers of a queen/king relative to local grouping in the larger domain).

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 11:11:50 AM PST

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      •  OK, now go to Chiapas (3+ / 0-)
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        ZhenRen, LaEscapee, poligirl

        and confront the Zapatistas, whose process is what ZhenRen wants it to be and which is based on local Chiapas traditions.  Tell them that what they're doing is "full of holes based on idealistic assumptions of human nature."

        “All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out.” – I.F. Stone

        by Cassiodorus on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 12:19:50 PM PST

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