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  •  Five or six months. n/t (0+ / 0-)

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    by Code Monkey on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 05:14:32 PM PST

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    •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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      From July 7 to August 25, 2009 the Dems had 58 +2 Independents.  That was when Al Franken was finally confirmed until Ted Kennedy died.  Then again from September 25, 2009 to February 4, 2010.  That was when Paul Kirk was appointed to fill in for Ted Kennedy until Scott Brown was confirmed.  A big part of that was also recess.  At no point did the Dems have 60 votes to overcome a filibuster by the GOP and had to rely on the 2 independents, one of which was Joe Lieberman.  Also the 58 Dems included Blanche Lincoln, Arlen Specter (who had switched in April 2009), Ben Nelson and other conservadems who made life difficult for our side.  

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      by DisNoir36 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 06:31:46 PM PST

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      •  Not a filibuster proof majority, but, as just (1+ / 0-)
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        proved, they didn't actually need one.

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        by dinotrac on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 07:44:15 PM PST

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        •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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          They didn't need one but that wasn't the problem.  Even with 58-60 Dems in the Senate, they didn't have 50+1 to get meaningful legislation passed via reconciliation.  That's why you had suck things like the Louisiana Purchase and Cornhusker Kickback to try and entice recalcitrant Dems to support the final result.  Forget the more ambitious stuff like expansion of Medicare.  I really don't think the Dems had the necessary votes to overcome the GOP obstruction and pass it through via reconciliation. It's a shame because those would have been far better options but many of the Dems in 2009 were just not that good.  Some of the more odious elements have been washed away and replaced by more progressive members but it's too late.  The best we can hope for now is for a Dem hold in 2014 and a Dem wave in 2016 which will allow Dems to improve the ACA with GOP obstruction.

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          by DisNoir36 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 04:22:28 AM PST

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          •  Democratic wave in 2016 seems unlikely, given (0+ / 0-)

            the American public's post 22nd amendment habit of quitting on a party after 2 terms.

            Not that the GOP won't do it's damnedest to help Democrats out by being complete fools, but Democrats really need the economy to improve in a way that helps more than wall street, and show up where people other than economists and pundits can see it.

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            by dinotrac on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 06:13:57 AM PST

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