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  •  "Did you say X?" (0+ / 0-)

    "No."

    It's that simple. Without a flat denial, I don't trust that this wasn't Kaltenbach.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:42:49 AM PST

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    •  Troll (0+ / 0-)

      Caleb has no responsibility to assuage your suspicions about him. He told me what happened, and I know him. I also know Fox. I believe Caleb. I've seen his video interview with Fox, and while he wanted to take the opportunity to share his faith, he certainly went out of his way not to throw any accusations at Costco.

      Caleb is more concerned with taking responsibility, offering an apology, and praising Costco's good works, than he is with defending himself against every false claim made by Fox News. Used to be that kind of self-abnegation was a virtue. Now apparently it's a liability.

      •  Troll? (0+ / 0-)

        Don't be a dick.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:13:07 AM PST

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        •  Now would be a good time (2+ / 0-)
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          to take your own advice.

          For real Texas Kaos, you want texaskaos.net, not .com. Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us

          by boadicea on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:21:08 AM PST

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          •  Calla te. (1+ / 0-)
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            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:31:06 AM PST

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            •  OK, OK. (0+ / 0-)

              You made me smile.

              •  Well that's good. (0+ / 0-)

                While I have a moment of your goodwill let me just say that I think it's perfectly laudable that you want to support your friend and that you believe he was exploited by FOX noise. And he undoubtedly was. Don't get me wrong there. And I think you're perfectly sincere in your defense.  My sole complaint is that his defense just,  well, doesn't good line up with all the facts. I think he was a bit more deliberate in his actions than his story now,  as relayed through you, would suggest.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 10:16:23 AM PST

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                •  I appreciate (0+ / 0-)

                  your perspective. You're welcome to it. If you'll watch the Fox News video (have you watched it yet), you'll see his statements and tone are worlds apart from what's presented in the op ed you keep pointing to for "the facts." A clearly slanted, agenda-driven opinion piece by a known fact-twister, versus video evidence of Caleb's perspective on the matter. You don't even have to trust me when I tell you that Caleb has denied making some of the statements in the op ed, to see that something is fishy with it, and not with Caleb's current statements.

                  But I won't try to convince you any longer. It's really not important to us what you think, nor to you what Caleb or I have done. It's an internet argument. It lives and dies here.

                  •  One more for instance... (1+ / 0-)
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                    One of the very quotes you used from the op ed shows how thoroughly dishonest it is.

                    The writer said, "I received a phone call from Caleb Kaltenbach, the pastor of Discovery Church in Simi Valley, Calif."

                    Already this is a deception. He tells a literal truth, but not the actual truth, which is that he contacted Caleb first, and asked if Caleb would call him for an interview. He makes it sound like Caleb is the one who sought out Fox News.

                    But seriously. If you want to hear it straight from Caleb that he didn't say some of those things, go ask him. You have his Facebook. Nothing is stopping you.

                    :)

                    Peace

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