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  •  Funny how the same religious texts mean opposite (2+ / 0-)
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    things when people want to read their own agendas into them.

    To be honest, though, the pro-slavery people had a point about the bible. It did literally tell slaves to obey their masters. It's only when you are very non-literal and ignore all the inconvenient parts of the bible that "deeply religious" people can "interpret" it as being anti-slavery. As usual, societal values evolved, and then the religious people followed the age old technique of doing mental gymnastics to claim that the bible always supported their  current values. This process still goes on today.

    As far as who judges bigotry, if it smells like bigotry it probably is.

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 06:13:56 PM PST

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    •  This goes to show that the problem is HUMANS (0+ / 0-)

      And one doesn't have to go far in the OT (and certainly not in the NT) to find rules (repeated book after book) requiring that strangers -- immigrants -- be taken in, that the rich not screw the poor, that the poor be fed, that punishment be strictly proportionate to the offense ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"), that people not rob and kill one another or worship wealth and earthly power. And right at the very outset, Earth and all its creations and relations are deemed good.

      It gets especially fabu, I think, when Jesus tosses Leviticus out, and then when the early Christian disciples, men and women alike, live together and share their worldly wealth.

      And then of course there's all the really good, weird, bloody stuff, bizarro King David, floods, wars without quarter, flaming visions and voices in the sky.

      Poetry, music, history, operating lessons for the psyche (Jonah: if you don't do what you must do, you get very stuck, and in the end you still have to do what you must), rules of societal order, rallying cries to a disheartened and scattered people, insane lists of ancestors, and rant after rant against the hypocrisy, greed, pride, and hubris of the powerful -- it's all there, the Silmarillion meets DK. I'm waiting for the Peter Jackson trilogy.

      Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

      by raincrow on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 06:11:20 PM PST

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      •  And I didn't say the Bible is anti-slavery (0+ / 0-)

        Of course slavery was a fully accepted practice of the day in almost every part of the world including the Middle East. I'm not sure how many people could imagine a world without slaves.

        You may be confusing "Biblical infallibility" with "Biblical literalism." In reformed (i.e., Protestant) Christian parlance, the former indicates the belief that the books gathered together into the Old and New Testaments comprise an oeuvre inspired by God through which one can begin to grasp the many dimensions of living in relationship with God (for those who are drawn or called by God; in Matthew, Jesus explicitly notes the existence of non-God people without judgment). The latter of course means all that silly bullshit Biblical literalists believe because poetry and allegory are not concrete enough for them.

        Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

        by raincrow on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 06:26:57 PM PST

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