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  •  I am certain that (7+ / 0-)

    if we had the modern "media" when it happened, they would have bemoaned the cloture rule when it was put in place (which allowed the Senate to vote to end a filibuster), and then bemoaned when cloture went from requiring two-thirds of the Senate to 60 votes.

    Let's face it, the filibuster had to go once it became a routine part of Senate business rather than an occasional "I just want to stop this one piece of legislation" kind of thing.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:53:51 AM PST

    •  And Lindsey Graham wanted to stop all nominations (2+ / 0-)

      because of a TV show about nothing.

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:22:21 AM PST

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    •  The filbuster didn't start that way (1+ / 0-)
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      The filibuster was ironically a power grab by the majority in a way when it was first invented.

      There were no rules about filibusters before, just a loophole that senators could talk forever if they wanted to and you couldn't do anything until they were done talking. The rules used to be the same in the house, until they got too many members, then they changed the rules to limit house members to 5 minutes of talking.

      It was until WW1 that the filibuster was put into the rules, after news broke of Germany asking Mexico to declare war on us. A small group of anti-war senators wanted to stop us from going to war, despite public opinion being strongly against them. So they agreed to stage a massive talking filibuster to prevent the senate from voting on going to war.

      The heavily pro-war public became outraged at them. To prevent the minority from stopping a vote on going to war, the majority invented the filibuster that required 75 votes to break (which pro-war senators easily had), and then voted to go to war.

      The number was later lowered to 60 votes, but it wasn't until the last few decades that using the filibuster for just about everything became common.

      •  Ur confusing cloture with the filibuster. The (3+ / 0-)
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        cloture rule was what was adopted in 1917, i.e., the means (then by 2/3rd vote) to cut off endless debate.  It is the endless debate that is the filibuster, and it was 'created' by the convicted traitor Burr when he was Veep by removing the 'previous question' rule from the Senate rule book (by which a simple majority could cut off debate, just like in the House then and still now).

        The only 'power grab' here is what the Thugs have been doing to deliberately sabotague the country since 2009 simply bc it dared elect a n---, er, Kenyan! Yeah, that's the ticket.

        Racist bastards.

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