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View Diary: On the anniversary of JFK's assassination, a boatload of speculative what-ifs are still unresolved (144 comments)

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  •  It's not even entertainment, it's delusion. (0+ / 0-)

    Please spare us all this crap about the Good Czar who was struck down before he could deliver his people from war and oppression. Kennedy was the most right-wing senator outside of the Deep South, a warmonger who ran to the right of Richard Nixon. An appealing man, someone I would have liked to have a beer with? Sure. A great president? No way.

    •  I strongly recommend rereading exactly... (5+ / 0-)

      ...who the senators were who served when Kennedy was in the Senate. He certainly was far from the most liberal, but your hyperbole is way off the mark.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 05:15:21 PM PST

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      •  But i'd wager, w/o seeing the rankings, (0+ / 0-)

        that Sen Kennedy was still up there with most of the liberal Dem senators in terms of votes.

        And you could not get elected dog catcher back then w/o espousing strong anti-communist views, along with (for most) a belief, however skeptically and cynically held, in Ike's Domino Theory.

        JFK was also to the left of most senators in speaking out for emerging countries under colonial rule, including Algeria.

      •  Apologies - I should have said the most right (0+ / 0-)

        wing DEMOCRATIC senator outside of the Deep South. (And he probably did not come out terribly well against Republican senators like Jacob Javits either. ) I believe that makes it completely correct.

        Kennedy's rivals for the Democratic nomination were Lyndon Johnson, Stuart Symington, Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey and Wayne Morse. All of these were arguably more liberal than JFK. JFK's crucial win over Humphrey in the West Virginia primary was at the best procured by a flood of Kennedy money, at worst by Joe Kennedy's Mob ties.

        IMHO, Edward Kennedy is the only one of the brothers on whom history will look kindly when we have a little perspective.

    •  I think you should be ashamed of this slander. JFK (0+ / 0-)

      was a 'warmonger'??? Now I've heard it all and to think it's on DKos of all places.

      •  You need to get out more often. Have you (0+ / 0-)

        heard of the imaginary "missile gap" that Kennedy used against Nixon? He argued that the Republicans were endangering the country through insufficient defense spending. It was Eisenhower who warned about the "military-industrial" complex. JFK never met a weapons system he didn't like.

        •  JFK ran on a putative 'missile gap' in 1960. Once (0+ / 0-)

          in office, he did almost nothing to justify the label of warmonger. Indeed, when presented with several opportunities to earn the label you so eagerly bestow, JFK demurred (Laos 1961, Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis).

          If you want to call JFK a 'warmonger,' are you going to go all in and call FDR a 'warmonger'?

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