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  •  Too simplistic (0+ / 0-)

    I think it's apparent that most, if not all, people are neither good or bad but both good and bad.

    Moreover, I think the assertion that the Constitution assumes the innate goodness of people isn't historically accurate. I've never seen where any of the framers expressed such a view. I have seen plenty of instances where they expressed the opinion that "human nature" was innately self-interested and the belief that such self interest might be harnessed for the common good.

    If you are aware of any counter examples, I'd be grateful if you'd supply them.

    I'm not convinced that attempting to set up some philosophical/spiritual criteria for distinguishing between Conservatives and Liberals is particularly constructive. People come to their political convictions from a wide variety of beliefs and life experiences. Reducing this diversity in motivation down to an either/or first principle elevates abstraction above practical experience.

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 05:03:32 PM PST

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    •  True. However, some people do not learn from (1+ / 0-)
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      experience, especially not other people's experience. That seems to me an endemic flaw, but I could be wrong.

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      by hannah on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:59:59 AM PST

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      •  A fair point (0+ / 0-)

        but one I think of limited applicability.

        Most people do learn from experience or they wouldn't learn anything at all. We aren't born speaking, reading and writing for example. These are all skills we learn by doing, ie, by experience.

        The problem seems to arise when our experiences conflict with deeply felt, emotionally loaded assumptions and preconceptions.

        The capacity for learning from the experience of others seems somewhat rarer but I admit to bias on that point.  I have very clear memories from early childhood of observing the behavior of my peers and adults and wondering why they insisted on behaving in ways that insured bad results.

        Over time, of course, I came to understand that it's far easier to recognize errors committed by others than it is to recognize the same errors when we ourselves commit them.  

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:29:24 AM PST

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