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  •  Nope, sorry, I don't buy this one: (6+ / 0-)

    "and they deserve at least one day off before all that starts?"

    There are so, so many part-time workers working in retail now so that the overlords don't have to pay benefits, so unfortunately, yes, they (the workers) get plenty of days off (which is not a good thing)

    •  Maybe (4+ / 0-)

      I'm sure there are some who would be happy to work because in general they are given too few hours, but I am not really convinced that staying open on Thanksgiving is the answer to that problem.

    •  Not to mention that many retail workers (8+ / 0-)

      start their "day" in the wee hours on Friday morning.  Nothing like enjoying your Thanksgiving holiday knowing you have to get up at 12:30 AM to get to work.  

      I worked at Target for awhile back in the 1990s as a manager--did a 2AM-12AM shift on Black Friday.

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      by dizzydean on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:36:30 PM PST

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      •  i worked at Nordstrom in the late 80s/early 90s (13+ / 0-)

        i *hated* Black Friday and the entire Christmas season with the heat of a white hot sun. to this day, i still will not go anywhere near a mall type place during the season.

        "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

        by poligirl on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:39:40 PM PST

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        •  I never understood the people who started lining (9+ / 0-)

          up at 3 AM for the 6AM open--surely, folks, you have better things to do with your lives than this!  Honest, the door bargains aren't worth it (if I recall, we had a cheap DVD player that was bound to break and be returned)....

          To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

          by dizzydean on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:44:47 PM PST

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          •  Door bargains are worth it to people (4+ / 0-)
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            who live paycheck to paycheck.  I'm happy that you're in a position where you can pay more.  

            •  yeah but why do the stores have to do it on TG? (7+ / 0-)

              they can't offer the door bargains for the first hour Friday? they used to. now they've moved that to the holiday.

              "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:51:22 PM PST

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              •  why do you care? (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't.

                If I need to buy something and some store is offering it at a cheaper price at a certain time, I'm good with that.  

                •  I have a friend who is very poor but he will not (5+ / 0-)

                  shop Black Friday at a store , he will either shop online on Cyber Monday and only when there is free shipping or he will shop at Dollar General anytime of the year.  

                  There are a lot of poor folks who shop other bargains on other days as retail does offer big sales many other times of the years too..not just Black Friday.  I know, we have been there.

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                  by wishingwell on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:03:31 PM PST

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                •  but that's a question that goes both ways... (1+ / 0-)
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                  in our society which is so gawddamn work oriented and everyone spends a heap of their time devoted to their jobs, whether their low end or high end, time off is scarce as it is.

                  Thanksgiving was always the one day (not even Christmas) that was not only sacrosanct family time but also one of those days when most people were collectively off.

                  maybe that makes me a big joiner, but in a world that is so concerned with material things, to have a day where we don't work (or most of us) and we don't practice ramapant materialism and instead we get together with family or friends and talk to each other over a good meal, i may be simple, but to me that's something that can help foster a good society.

                  wherever i've been, even those without family usually have a place to go cuz i've always known folks who have a "Thanksgiving for strays". i'm going to one this year, but i know i will take time out to talk to my parents and sibs, cuz Thanksgiving is for giving thanks for the things that you are blessed with, and not the material things.

                  i know it sounds stupid, but there is nothing sacred in this country anymore when our want to get more things even if it means other people have to work takes precedent over waiting a day so folks could have a family day or just a holiday for themselves. and i'm not picky - if that is Memorial Day or Labor Day or whenever, it should happen. we don't need to go and get things every day of the year. but ymmv.

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                  by poligirl on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:28:08 PM PST

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            •  Hah! I always skip the door bargains and (4+ / 0-)

              buy used whenever I could.  Much better way to extend a paycheck than buying new, poorly made crap.

              To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

              by dizzydean on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:52:18 PM PST

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          •  me either. i think that the 'greed is good' ethos (6+ / 0-)

            has unfortunately become the rule. i can't believe the mayhem there is now. it was bad but it wasn't that crazy back when i worked it...

            "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

            by poligirl on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:48:07 PM PST

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            •  Back then we didn't know it was Greed, we were (0+ / 0-)

              believing it was The American Dream..to have it all, so to speak.

              "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

              "It's said that the honest man has nothing to hide. Not true. The honest man has to hide himself, because honest men are the prime targets of those who lie."

              by roseeriter on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 12:34:49 AM PST

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          •  The people I know who have lined up (4+ / 0-)

            Were generally looking to do something like save $500 on a big-screen TV.  That's equivalent to more than $150/hour.

            •  Yeah, but how many things are wrong with (4+ / 0-)

              seeing the need to live hearth and home to stand in line at 3 AM for an unnecessary consumer electronic device of poor quality and dubious longevity?  That speaks volumes about how wants are turned into needs, regardless of the cost.  Not to mention that this dynamic is why the stores open on T-Day to begin with....

              To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

              by dizzydean on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 03:27:26 PM PST

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              •  Unnecessary? Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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                Poor quality of dubious longevity?  Probably not.  One item I can see some people standing in line for is this "65 Samsung TV, regular price $1500, Black Friday price $1000.

                Unless you think laptops are unnecessary consumer electronics that no one really needs, maybe it's not silly for someone to wait in line to get $200-300 off the price.

                •  If you cn't see why a 65" TV is a sad reminder (2+ / 0-)
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                  of how Big Corporations use marketing to sucker people into spending their hard-earned cash for stuff they don't need, I'm not sure we can have a discussion.  If a "working class" hero can spend $1000 on a TV, then he is not living paycheck-to-paycheck.  

                  Given your example, I'm not sure I see your point....

                  To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

                  by dizzydean on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:53:41 PM PST

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        •  I used to work in a bookstore in a mall in the 80s (5+ / 0-)

          as I had just finished grad school and I was doing a job search. I would substitute teach during the day and work in the mall at BDalton Books and also a department store ....

          I worked 3 jobs, 2 in retail during the holiday season.
          But in those days, the stores did not open Black Friday until 9 am..mid 8os, the exception in those days was Kmart who opened at 6 am. My then boyfriend, also a grad student, had to work those shifts and started hating christmas along with me.

          I was lucky, I only did this one year before obtaining work in my field.

          I recall though looking in the mirror as I was running the mop after a long, hard day during the holiday season...
          and I said..

          I talked to myself in the mirror. I said, remember this moment. Remember you are not too good for this job.
          You have a masters degree but you are working here ..know that NO one is too good for any job, ever..keep humble kid

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          by wishingwell on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:01:25 PM PST

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    •  Do you work retail? My husband does and he is (4+ / 0-)

      starting to prepare himself to work Thanksgiving Day as around here, several stores are opening this year Thanksgiving morning.

      He is starting to feel OK with it . He has accepted it.

      My friends who work retail are now at peace with it.

      But I look to the retail workers and see how they feel.

      If one does not work retail, sure you can voice an opinion but I admit, I listen more to the workers themselves on this issue .

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      by wishingwell on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 03:56:56 PM PST

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      •  No, I don't work retail now, but did (2+ / 0-)
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        for many, many years.  I actually liked it.  

        But retail workers aren't the only workers who have to work on holidays, and that was kind of the point of why I wrote this diary.

        •  My late mother was a nurse who worked holidays (1+ / 0-)
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          for over a decade. She often would volunteer to work Thanksgiving as not only did they get paid more but she liked being with the patients on a holiday. She worked in a nursing home and while some were able to leave for the day with family, some did not have family or were too ill to leave the nursing home.

          I worked a couple of thanksgivings in a residential psychiatric facility and we would only have one or two people who did not have family taking them for the holiday. I also wanted to be there for them and we would have special activities.

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          by wishingwell on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 03:00:06 AM PST

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          •  I spend most of my Thanksgivings in the Army on (1+ / 0-)
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            the road with my trucks.  But hey, if the servicemembers today are lucky, maybe W will swoop in with a fake turkey in Afghanistan for old time's sake!

            To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

            by dizzydean on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 07:23:21 AM PST

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    •  Not true... (5+ / 0-)

      My daughter works retail and EVERYONE is scheduled for Black Friday.  Her family time with us on Thanksgiving is being cut short because even with it being a "day off", her "Friday" starts at 11PM on Thursday!  

      It's ridiculous.

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      by cks175 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:03:34 PM PST

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