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  •  They represent one sect of polygamous (0+ / 0-)


    For good or ill, the majority of them aren't into marrying 16 year olds against their will or throwing out their sons.

    I'm no fan of religion in general, of the Mormon church in particular, or of polygamy.  But, consenting adults are a lot different than that Jeff's cult.

    "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

    by JesseCW on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 07:26:29 AM PST

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    •  Polygamy is a crime against society (0+ / 0-)

      it creates terrible social instability.

      •  If people freely choose (0+ / 0-)

        Polygamy (or Polyandry), that's no ones business but theirs and it causes no harm to anyone.

        Unless you believe that grown men and women need to be told who it's ok for them to live with, sleep with, have children with, or share resources with.

        "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:34:58 AM PST

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        •  I'm sorry what part of social harm (2+ / 0-)
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          don't you get?

          The arab world has polygamy, and it's contributed to
          massive violence, instability and terrorism.

          The Rich Guys have 4 wives,  that means for every
          rich guy you have 3 poor guys with no chance of getting
          a wife. Ever.

          Say the top 10% have 4 wives,  the bottom 30% will never
          ever, ever have a wife.

          we have the same problem in socieites with female infanticide. (China and India).  

          India now has a 60/40 sex split ratio. China same way.

          When men think they will never ever ever have a wife, they become pretty desperate.

          there are things where individual choice leads to massive social harm.

          •  There seems to be some part of "freely" that (0+ / 0-)

            is utterly lost on you in your desire to control the sex lives of others.

            "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

            by JesseCW on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 04:46:41 AM PST

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            •  Society gets to prevent social harm (0+ / 0-)

              Say the Top 10% have 4 wives,
              the next 10% have 3 wives,
              the next 10% have 2 wives
              and the next 10% have one wife.

              that leaves the bottom 60% with no wife

              Do you think that's good for society?

              And how is this good for women?

              Wife number 4 for Mitt Romney?
              Do you think she has to compete with wife #1
              for resources?

              Stop blathering about freedom, and show me how
              this is a good thing for anyone other then rich men?

        •  They're also 'freely' taking advantage of public (0+ / 0-)

          assistance. Those "single mothers" are being supported by the state when they're living in poly marriages, de facto.  Don't you see that as harmful?

          One question- If a state has common law marriages, wouldn't this be illegal as bigamy, even without a marriage license?

          I agree with patbahn, as well.

          •  You think they wouldn't be if they were single? (0+ / 0-)

            This attitude that all mothers must marry someone is extremely far right.

            As far as I can see, this is primarily motivated by patbahn grotesque anti-Muslim bigotry.  It's like reading Pat Buchanan prattle on about "Superior Western Values".

            But if this was to be found anywhere at DailyKos, I guess this was the diary in which to expect it.

            "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

            by JesseCW on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 04:48:39 AM PST

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            •  It's not just the mothers who are taking advantage (0+ / 0-)

              the system.  It's the father.  Every extra wife is subsidized.  That's not the same thing as a single mother abandoned by an ex-husband or ex-boyfriend.  There's a huge difference between saying that society should not have to pay for extra wives versus saying that women have to get married.  In fact, I don't see a connection.  I don't think women need to get married to be in a relationship or to have kids.  I do think that any male still involved should be at least partially financially responsible for any kids, and for the wife if she's not working, not pushing off his responsibility on society.  Poor and/or single is one thing.  Gaming the system is quite another.

              I don't see how pointing out that polygamy is "anti-Muslim bigotry", when patbahn's point was that polygamy on a large scale is bad for society, be it Christian or Muslim or something else.  Have you read about the "lost boys" problem in the fundie Mormon areas?  What they do to those kids is a crime.

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