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  •  Not even sure what the point is (1+ / 0-)
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    apologies in advance if I'm wrong about what you're trying to say - but you seem to imply DK is infested with trolls, paid hacks, sock puppets, etc etc.

    On a normal blog, lets say can news or fox news or WP blogs, or HuffPo blog where most people don't know others, you are probably right. But, on DailyKOS?  Not so much. People here know each other and have for a very long time. Hacks trolls and sock puppets tend to be outed fairly quickly and efficiently.

    I know you believe your diaries are infested with these types and I'd agree I've seen a few in your diaries. But, I've seen far more accused of trollery hackery and sock puppetry who have been posting here for years and many of whom others have met face to face. Those types of accusations are unfair.

    I do see some who I've known well who frequent your diaries a lot. And they do indeed lean toward the provocative and sometimes cross the line. They seem to be dealt with very quickly by your supporters. They too sometimes cross the line themselves. So, I don't really see a big problem.

    •  I read the diary again just to make sure is was (0+ / 0-)

      clear... I don't see anywhere in the body of the diary any reference to my diaries. Also, I don't think I'm implying that the site is infected with that type of miscreant. I'm just pointing out that they exist and that they have been able to operate pretty much in the shadows (especially the clever ones), but that times have changed and more and more people are becoming aware of their disruptive tactics. That's all.

      Does that clarify the issue for you? Now, if there are sockpuppets, trolls and hacks visiting my diaries then they may be making a mistake because they would be outing themselves.

      •  It became clearer in your comments (3+ / 0-)

        It seems to be all about a group you've labeled "fab xix". No idea who they are, but whoever they are, I'm not going to accept your judgment that they are trolls or sock puppets without knowing who they are myself. My hunch is I know 3 of them. One - he will never agree with you but he's been a standup kossack for years with a good reputation. The other, much the same thing. The last one, isn't a troll or a sock puppet that I can tell, but a major shit disturber who your supporters seem to HR quite often under DBAD. In fact, within seconds of him entering your diaries.

        •  And me, as far as I can tell. The total number (3+ / 0-)
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          seems to be around 40 people who tend to post, off and on, questioning the points Ray makes. As far as I know, that's all it takes to get on the list.

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

          by serendipityisabitch on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 05:18:54 PM PST

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        •  Not really. You know what inspired this diary? (0+ / 0-)

          Check out this post: My next diary: Open Letter to Sockpuppets And

          I posted that comment in another diary.  If you follow the thread in that diary, you'll see some discussion of some of the issues I covered here.

          As to the fab-six, by now I almost find them endearing.  For one thing, they more they come to my diaries and engage in disruptive behavior (which I think even you alluded to is true), the more damage they do to themselves.

          Either way, your opinion is your opinion.  I bet you this: You will never see me in any of their diaries, but you are very likely to see them in many of mine, digging a bigger and bigger hole for themselves.

          •  You're going to write another diary on the same (0+ / 0-)

            subject again?

            Yes, I did more than allude that you get shit-stirrers in your diaries. For sure at least one.

            I don't think you should obsess so much about them.

            You sort of remind me of a diarist

            I sort of liked him. He wrote a TON of diaries. But, his were mostly about current affairs/politics. As most prolific diarists do, he earned a few detractors along the way. They hounded him relentlessly. HR'd him at every turn. Eventually, Dave lost his cool and wrote an inappropriate diary and got banned. Actually, after he left the site, he got worst but extending his vendetta to other blogs. Unfortunately, he passed away not long after all that happened. I didn't know him personally, but others that did told me he had some health issues. Others said his experience here was a contributing factor. I suspect we'll never really know.

            Anyway, I wish Dave hadn't gotten so fired up about the occasional asshole and so singularly focused on fighting perceived enemies, real and imagined. He was good guy. I didn't always agree with him, but I loved his passion and he was a good writer.

            •  Wow, that's an interesting tangent! So now (0+ / 0-)

              I'm like poor Dave, RIP.  Do you really think I get this stuff get to me?  This stuff is kind of a hobby to me; I do like writing and thinking about issues, sharing ideas and perspectives, etc., but this is jut a very minor part of my life.

              Let me give you some perspective, and this is something I've shared before... As far back as the late 1990's I used to frequent right wing blogs and interact with the "meanest" and "baddest" SOBs you can imagine when it comes to pure hate and vitriol.  I'd take them on on the issue of torture, on the MIC, on religion, etc.  And most of it without any type of moderation from admins.

              In that type of environment when people go off and start using vulgar language, etc., I just point out that that's all they have; that's the level of interaction they are able to engage in... It would drive them nuts!

              By the way, I've written a few diaries about how to take on right wing nutjobs and win every time.

              This is nothing to me compare to that.  

              Don't worry my friend, I'll be fine.

              Also, I've studied carefully how some really great people have been pushed out from here... I understand how it works.

              •  Well, we have a few things in common then (0+ / 0-)

                Years ago, I also used to do battle at the RW sites. I came to realize there was never going to be a meeting of the minds. So here I am. And, I also have a problem with vulgar language. You don't have to go to RW blogs for that though. You can find plenty right here - epithets being tossed at people left and right. Its so RW. Not sure why people feel they need to do that.

                And, to be clear, I said you reminded me of Dave because you both write well and are very passionate about your writing and you seem to both have trouble with detractors. Other than that, i don't know you and wouldn't extend the comparison beyond that.

                Take care.

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