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  •  I don't (2+ / 0-)
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    consider responding to the subject of the diary nor to any of the comments, in a substantive manner, "spitting on the food".

    Is it true that Ray writes a lot of diaries about trolls, shills, sockpuppets, unwittingly misled pawns?

    Is it true that these diaries tend to be uprated by the same people?  

    Are these diaries redundant?  persistent?  indignant?

    Has the diarist often insisted that those who disagree are simply "wrong", on the wrong side of history, on the wrong side of right and wrong?  Complete with photos?

    Yes, to all of it yes.  

    So, if I see a comment such as yours, which includes the "who died and put you in charge" stroppiness, how do I violate any Dkos rules to respond, point for point?

    It's okay to display any sort of dickishness one want as long as one is on the same side as the diarist?

    •  I believe it is a vicious cycle. (0+ / 0-)

      They harass, he responds.  He responds, they respond, and off we go.   Why is it so hard for people to quit fighting?    If I'm in your home and you don't like the way I am acting, you get to tell me to leave.   If your in your home and I don't like the way you are acting, I don't get to tell you to stop - I get to leave.   What's so hard about that?

      A comment or two, fine; but over and over with the same person by the same persons - is there really a point?

      Ted Rall's diary is a case in point.   Let me add to it  the people they have ganged up on and chased off:  Cenk Ygur, David Sirota, Greg Palast, and the run they made at OPOL, the DFH that criticizes Democrats.  A few of us supported OPOL just like I'm supporting Ray, and they backed off.    

      Ask this same group how they felt when people would visit the romance diaries that BlackWaterDog always had on the rec. list.   These same people attacked and justified attacking anyone who dared to criticize her or her content in her diaries or anywhere else on this blog.  She and her fans gave birth to the behavior that is now dubbed "rox and sux" on this site.  

      All I ask of those people is to leave him alone in his own diaries.  

      What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

      by dkmich on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 05:18:19 AM PST

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      •  I think (1+ / 0-)
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        he needs to come clean about who he thinks are shills and trolls and/or stop claiming it without proof.

        If you don't want people to criticize what you say in a public forum, don't post it in a public forum.

        I don't know anything about a Ted Rall diary.

        As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as "roxx/suxx", and frankly I was pretty sick of hearing it after a while.

        I wrote a diary in 2011 about how MY comments CRITICIZING the President were being taken as "hatred" and that this was unfair.

        Fast forward and my lack of hysteria surrounding the NSA issue was taken as "roxx", that I was an Obama apologist, fangirl, blinded by the cult of personality, blah blah fucking blah, right?

        Now how can I be an apologist or fangirl of someone whose behavior I blasted myself?  

        I disagreed about the reaction to one issue, and was smeared on the road.  I even linked to my previous diary  there was actually a complaint because I posted a link and expected people to you know, click on it or some such craziness.

        Mean spiritedness, totally uncalled for.  If there is someone here who thinks the President is angelic and can do no wrong, I've yet to come across him or her.

        When I see comments like "he's incompetent and a liar, and an incompetent liar" and read how he totally betrayed us and is purposefully ushering in a police state, sure, I'm probably going to disagree.  That doesn't make me a "roxx", it makes me a person with a mind of her own.

        The whole idea of Roxx/Suxx insults all of us because it implies we are mindlessly on one side or the other instead of thoughtful people with informed and nuanced viewpoints and just disagree.

        There is no "side" because none of us are brainless purists.  

        Let's just agree there is shit slinging on both sides, and culprits as well as innocent folks getting hit with it.

        If I tell you I am genuine in what I am saying and why I am saying it, and about how I feel, and I am not telling you that you can't express your genuine thoughts or feelings, then that should be sufficient to shut people up about my being a troll, a shill, a liar, an apologist, a bully or tyrant . . . or roxx or suxx.

        We're all just sick of diaries about shills because we were accused of being shills!  And sick of diaries that are veiled accusations that we are shills.  Or diaries that are about shills but couched in some other subject.

        We didn't all suddenly become trolls.  And if you read the freaking comments I think you'll have a hard time finding many that think Obama is flawless.

        In fact, a lot of people throw in a dig or two in every comment just to avoid being slammed as a fanboy.


        •  I don't think he knows who or if.... (0+ / 0-)

          I think he's wondering out loud what's going on.

          You cannot deny that there are shills and trolls on the internet.   Are any of them here?  Hell if I know.  If you would have asked me a year ago if the NSA was spying on me or dailykos or if the country considered environmentalists as terrorists, I would have told you don't be crazy.

          Somebody has got to walk away.   If he can't even be in his own diaries, what does that leave him.   Why does he have to leave to be left alone.  This place is plenty big enough to share and easily avoid the people you want to avoid.   Just saying.    

          What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

          by dkmich on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 03:17:28 PM PST

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        •  Being slammed as a fan boy is just (0+ / 0-)

          like being slammed  as an Obama hater.  Nobody likes it, and ultimately how much can one actually care what someone on the internet thinks about them?    Somebody has got to walk away.  

          They have neutral corners in a boxing ring for a  purpose.   I just wish the brawlers would spend more time in them.  

          What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

          by dkmich on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 03:28:01 PM PST

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