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  •  No (5+ / 0-)

    3 instances of abuse is 3 too many, but the vast majority of abuse cases are kids who are in school. Just because a few cases have occurred does not make it ok to turn homeschooling into a police state. I will parent and educate my children as I see fit, not as the government tells me.  

    •  I'm not advocating that by a longshot (2+ / 0-)
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      Like I said, I firmly oppose mandatory visits as unconstitutional and unnecessary.  But the current scheme makes it too easy for abuse to be concealed, and that isn't acceptable either.

      •  Abuse is never acceptable. (4+ / 0-)

        But we live in an imperfect world. Unfortunately, some children are abused by their parents, no matter how they are schooled.

        We do need to fund our state and county budgets amply so that any suspected problem can be investigated.

        Here in FL, the DCF does a wonderful (yes, there are exceptions), thankless and underfunded job.

        Unfortunately, too much of their time is wasted by the little old person who lives down the block who sees your kids out during "schools hours". The DCF is required to check that the kids are properly registered/enrolled. They do and then they can get back to the cases where they are really needed. But it's still a waste of time and resources, underfunded resources at that, when someone doesn't understand hsing and thinks that anything other than public schools warrants a call to DCF.

    •  You have rights, but also responsibilities (9+ / 0-)

      And one of those responsibilities is to submit to the promotion of social justice in the institution of home schooling, which means assessment and accountability.

      The government grants you the freedom to home school. It is unheard of, seen as an abomination, in almost all developed countries.

      You need to accept responsibility for the atrocities that are addressed in this diary just like teachers and education regulators need to accept responsibility for the atrocities that occur in public and private schools, even though they don't contribute to them.

      "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

      by Evoculture on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 12:50:51 PM PST

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    •  Police State? That's absurd hyperbole (9+ / 0-)

      Do you feel the state has absolutely no right to mitigate the child's welfare? The very fact that children must be educated is a violation of that principle. What other rules don't you believe in where everyone else has to pick up the cost? You can educate your child the way you see fit, but suppose you don't believe in literacy. Would that be OK?

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 01:07:38 PM PST

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      •  Hyperbole? (4+ / 0-)

        No, not at all hyperbole. The diarist is literally suggesting police involvement for anyone who wants to homeschool. That is a police state.

        Yes, the state has right's to mitigate child welfare. And given evidence that a crime is being committed then it should be fully investigated. Me choosing to homeschool is not evidence that I am abusing my children.

        And your last question is hyperbole and not relevant to this discussion. However, if parents chose to somehow force their children to be illiterate then I assume that other, far more serious, abusive practices would also be occurring and should be investigated.

        •  So what do you suggest to weed out abusers? (1+ / 0-)
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          You're a homeschooler--do you know of any way to make sure we don't have abusive parents using homeschooling as a cover?  I'm open to any suggestions other than background checks.

          •  Same question (8+ / 0-)

            Since most abused children are in public school, how do you propose that we protect those children? Because what we are currently doing isn't enough. So do we make all children submit to full nude physical exams and psychological analysis every year? Background checks are not going to catch most abusers. The horrible woman in NC had be subject to an extensive background check for her job, but had no signs of problems.

            The statistics discussed by the diarist demonstrate that a very small percentage of homeschoolers are abusive. There is, unfortunately, no way to fully protect children from abuse unless we massively violate the rights of all children and their parents. I am not willing to give up my rights for this any more than I'm willing to give up my rights in the so-called "war on terrorism". Some folks argue that we have a responsibility to society to be fine with the Patriot Act and the domestic spying that is occurring. I am not ok with either.

        •  That is specifically NOT what the diarist is (6+ / 0-)

          suggesting. You are jumping to a bad conclusion.
          The State has an interest in ensuring a minimum standard of education and socialization, that's why schooling is mandatory. Your ability to homeschool is an exemption of the laws that apply to everyone else. There are responsibilities that come with that exemption.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 01:59:16 PM PST

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          •  My responsibilities (1+ / 0-)
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            are to my child. Not to you. Not to the county or the state of Florida. There is no requirement that my child be educated in a specific way or that she be "socialized" to suit you.

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