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  •  someone outside the family sees the kids in person (5+ / 0-)

    at least once a year.  That's what it has to do with physical abuse.

    •  Not necessarily. (1+ / 0-)
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      Another Grizzle

      We have computers here in hsing land. :)

      But say you could force that. So my kid has to go take a test for the purpose of you physically inspecting him? How would that work?

      •  same as the ACT/SAT (2+ / 0-)
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        Tonedevil, RuralLiberal

        Your registered homeschool kid comes to a test centre once a year.  Takes a test after the adult provides their (adult) ID and a birth certificate for the kid.  Kid takes a test.  Everyone goes home.

        If your kid looks abused - someone at the testing centre will report it. Not confront you, not harrass you - just send CPS after your ass.

        •  Your idea of providing (2+ / 0-)
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          Mortifyd, tobendaro

          adult ID and child's birth certificate is excellent!  This would foil someone who has abducted a child.

          Who knows how many missing children have been hidden away and "home schooled" over the years.

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          by RuralLiberal on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 02:07:05 PM PST

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          •  It would certainly make it a bit harder to hide (1+ / 0-)
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            a child - even in the cases of parental snatching where they could get a birth certificate legally.  

            There is nothing wrong with homeschooling kids.  I am not anti homeschooling in any way - though I am anti stupid.  But I don't see how a once a year test to see how your kid is doing compared to others in their age/grade group as horrifically invasive or denying your right to educate your child in a controlled environment.

            I also think that transportation should be provided for these tests - because some people don't have cars.  Use school buses, church vans - whatever, but don't put the onus on the parents to get their kids to the testing centre - make it as easy and painless as possible for everyone involved.

            •  Standardized testing Draco (1+ / 0-)
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              Would completely blow his routine, this means he would lose at least 2-4 weeks ahead of time as I try to get him ready for the concept of going back to a school (which he's terrified of because of bullying) to be tested, and then 2-4 weeks of melt downs afterward dealing with the fall out.

              AND then I'd still need IEP meetings and such with the school to deal with his accommodations during the test, which takes more time away from his schooling. Then the week long test  because it takes him that long to do it because he can't sit for hours on end taking a test. Then there's the chance that he'll have several off days during that time when he can't focus to actually complete a test.

              I love you Mortifyd, but this would NOT work for us. Avoiding the FCAT is part of the reason we started homeschooling. It wasn't doing him any good (according to the FCAT he was always on grade level, according to his report cards/IEP/school work I saw he was not). And it was doing him real harm.

              "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

              by FloridaSNMOM on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 06:55:18 PM PST

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        •  So you would have thousands (0+ / 0-)

          of hsers forced to take an unnecessary (and who is going to pay? generous of you to provide a ride to the exam, though) standardized test so the proctor can give his opinion about whether or not some of them look abused? Is this person going to be trained to spot a kid who is abused versus one who is disheveled? Abused or shy? Abused or skateboarder (bruises)? Is that even possible in such a brief encounter?

          And when CPS (DCF here) comes after my ass for having a child who wore a rumpled shirt and did not make appropriate, according to the proctor, eye contact -- how will that go?    

          Do you think CPS/DCF departments across the country have extra resources to spend following up on these leads? Or are you contemplating an increase in funding to cover the dozens (hundreds?) of extra and unfounded investigations these already overworked and underfunded saints have to do?

          And do you think that if I am a child abuser (or child abductor as mentioned below) that I am going to comply with this program?

          And do you think that hsers in general will comply, none of us being able to suggest that this new system would be an unwarranted and warrantless search of our child, an unconstitutional and unjustified intrusion into our privacy?

          Do you have any idea what you are talking about or how hsing works?

          •  flail flail flail. (0+ / 0-)

            It could be done.  You just don't WANT it to.

          •  Yes, I do know what I'm talking about (1+ / 0-)
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            and how homeschooling works (in areas I'm familiar with) and NO it's not an invasion of privacy to make some kind of measurement to gauge whether or not kids who are outside the traditional school system are actually GETTING an education.  Because while most do - some don't.

            I AM autistic, so yes, I'm taking "poor eye contact" into consideration among other things.  You don't get a free pass to do whatever you like - you are charged with and accepting the responsibility of providing education.   Anyone who refuses to do so is actually raising a flag right there that something is wrong.

            There can be checks on that without massive expense or being considered burdensome on your freedom to be a recluse control freak if that's your thing.  Because your kid may grow up and want to be part of the real world - and that's bloody hard without a freaking education.

            •  I do, in fact, get a free pass (0+ / 0-)

              from having to comply with whatever anyone else can dream up.

              Your comfort with all of this is not the important thing.

              •  not if it becomes law you don't. (0+ / 0-)

                You might NOW - but it may not be forever.  Because people are concerned about homeschool kids actually getting educations.

                •  As concerned as any of us are about all (0+ / 0-)

                  children getting good educations.

                  But your concern does not easily translate into legislation to take away each family's flexibility and choice.

                  Thanks goodness.

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