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  •  But why give them a break? (0+ / 0-)

    Why not continue sanctions (as the Senate just may demand) until they DO give up their nuke ambitions. This deal seems to be such a waste e of negotiating strength.

    •  Our own military intelligence (3+ / 0-)
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      says they are years away from being able to make a nuke.

      This is a good deal that the President made.  Unless the "nuke fairy" waves his/her magic wand to give Iran nukes, they don't have any yet.

      To the NSA douchebag who is reading this: "Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

      by Indiana Bob on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:02:32 PM PST

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      •  Where do you get that? (0+ / 0-)

        Obama earlier this year:

        “Right now, we think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon, but obviously we don’t want to cut it too close,” Obama told Israeli Channel 2
        And the breakout time gets shorter and shorter:
        "Shortening breakout times have implications for any negotiation with Iran," stated the report by the Institute for Science and International Security. "An essential finding is that they are currently too short and shortening further."
        •  Our Military and Israel's Military (0+ / 0-)
          Reporting from Washington — As U.S. and Israeli officials talk publicly about the prospect of a military strike against Iran's nuclear program, one fact is often overlooked: U.S. intelligence agencies don't believe Iran is actively trying to build an atomic bomb
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          The most recent report, which represents the consensus of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, indicates that Iran is pursuing research that could put it in a position to build a weapon, but that it has not sought to do so.

          To the NSA douchebag who is reading this: "Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

          by Indiana Bob on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 11:26:44 AM PST

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        •  Here is the 2012 report (0+ / 0-)

          http://articles.latimes.com/...

          Now sure, they may have some genius scientists who have figured out everything between then and now, but seeing as how Israel assassinates them, even that is hard to believe.

          To the NSA douchebag who is reading this: "Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

          by Indiana Bob on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 11:28:34 AM PST

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    •  This step is to prove both sides' good faith (4+ / 0-)
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      We give them some relief from sanctions and they freeze their nuclear program.  They'll even be setting themselves back a ways by having to dilute some of their enriched uranium.

      If both sides hold up their ends then it allows for both sides to take a larger step, hopefully Iran dismantling their nuclear program completely in exchange for the end of sanctions altogether.

      "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said." "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain

      by Quanta on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:04:59 PM PST

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      •  Exactly. The fact that a deal was reached (0+ / 0-)

        at all after years of endless stop and start negotiations is significant. Success begets success.

        Apparently nothing will ever teach these people that the other 99 percent of the population exist. —George Orwell

        by ukit on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 02:37:53 AM PST

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      •  I would think past actions (0+ / 0-)

        are a predictor of current "good faith". Iran's violation of the UNSC resolutions would beg for proof rather than a ice and a promise before lifting 7 billion in sanctions.

    •  How Do You Prove It? (2+ / 0-)
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      Just what "nuke ambitions" does Iran have?  Prove that they've got them.  What criteria gets applied to prove that they've abandoned them?  Bibi wants Iran to forego all enrichment.  What's it worth to Bibi and Likud Israel?  Iran might be willing to forego uranium enrichment in return for receiving subsidies to buy enriched uranium for their nuclear power needs on the global market, which would be more expensive than using domestic Iranian sources.  A back of the envelope calculation would seem to show that three full nuclear power reloads might cost $150 million for the uranium fuel, per reactor.  Those three reloads would cover a thirty year operating need.  Providing that subsidy might persuade the Iranians to forego enrichment.  When does somebody make the offer?

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:31:59 PM PST

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