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  •  Confederates love them some Sparta (0+ / 0-)

    Slave-based economy: check.
    Militarized society to keep slaves in control: check.
    Land and wealth required for franchise: check.
    Ridiculous and archaic laws and codes of honor to maintain the status quo: check.
    Religious fanaticism: check.
    Some great fighters but ultimately losers: check.

    Although Sparta was a touch more progressive when it came to women and homosexual behavior, it was considered an almost ideal model for members of the upper society in the South.

    Lotso Sparty probably doesn't realize both the ole' Confederacy and Sparta would not have tolerated him in proper company. Leonidas (whose mother was his father's niece) was also not a beacon of freedom.

    "You know, just because the thing I saw wasn't there doesn't mean there wasn't something there that I didn't see." Ann Althouse, Conservative Thoughtmeister

    by Bill Section 147 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 02:01:07 PM PST

    •  Women were only held in regard... (0+ / 0-)

      ...if they produced a son. Period.

      Otherwise they were sold as slaves.

      "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

      by CanisMaximus on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 02:36:43 PM PST

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      •  Spartan women owned the property. (1+ / 0-)
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        Spartan men were soldiers and did not own or manage the land or household. The title or rights associated with land passed to and from women. They were an anomaly in Greece in that they were educated. This was done because Spartan woman managed the property, the farms and the slaves.

        Many historians believe this was the value of the mythical Helen. She controlled a huge amount of land and if she was allowed to leave Menelaus those properties, and their value, would rightfully go through her to Troy and not Sparta.

        "You know, just because the thing I saw wasn't there doesn't mean there wasn't something there that I didn't see." Ann Althouse, Conservative Thoughtmeister

        by Bill Section 147 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 04:00:59 PM PST

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        •  After actually looking it up... (0+ / 0-)

          ...and not relying on my increasingly faulty memory, you are correct. The rest of the Hellenic culture was pretty much as described. The Spartans did indeed move to more equality with women. Athens was particularly backward.

          The only real arena for women in Ancient Greece was religion, not surprisingly.

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 04:19:59 PM PST

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