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  •  I read the story linked in this comment and (2+ / 0-)
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    Simplify, DRo

    wonder if anyone can explain its numbers:

    N.C.’s Medicaid program currently provides benefits to more than one million state residents. If North Carolina had passed the Medicaid expansion, 587,000 of the state’s 720,000 uninsured adults would have been able to enroll in the program.

    The national Center on Budget and Policy Priorities had released a report stating that the cost to insure the 174,000 eligible without Medicaid expansion will cost the state $2 billion between 2014 and 2022, while the cost to expand the program would have been $3.1 billion.

    It's that second paragraph I can't figure out. Where did the 174,000 come from? One million plus currently on Medicaid, 587,000 of currently uninsured would have been added with expansion.  Then, out of nowhere, comes 174,000 eligible (for what?) without Medicaid expansion . . .  

    Anyone?  Help me out here.

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    by Alice Olson on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 01:00:13 PM PST

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      I think they're making a leap there they don't explain: in the process of exploring Obamacare, 174K who didn't know they were eligible for existing Medicaid will find out they are and sign up.

      I think that has to be it.

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      by Joan McCarter on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 01:29:54 PM PST

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    •  The 174,000 (1+ / 0-)
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      are the ones that are eligible for Medicaid without the ACA. So for 2 billion NC will have to (by law) insure 174,000, for 3.1 billion NC could have insured 587,000, which presumably includes the 174,000 also eligibles. I assume with that many more people paying into the system, the overall cost of healthcare would likely go down by more than the 1.1 billion it costs to enroll them, simply because those 587,000 minus 174,000 would have been healthier from having better healthcare, thereby spending a lot less on for example high blood pressure diabetes heart disease cancer and all the other diseases that can be caught and cured before they become chronic. So the point is they can save a shit ton of money by expanding Medicaid, but they won't do it because Obama something.

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