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  •  Yes, but this can change (5+ / 0-)

    All of your prognostications are true until they aren't. You're assuming the status quo (which your rhetoric helps bolster) will be a constant. If anything, history reveals that every so often, there is sweeping change.

    One thing that history doesn't support is the notion you can get the wealthy class to wake up one day, realize the errors of their ways, and with the dawning epiphany, turn their power and wealth back to the people from whom they've been thieving it for several centuries. They will never do this, and this notion they will ever allow the process of representative democracy (not exactly representative when most elected officials are wealthy) to include the poor.

    That has never happened in history. Even Sweden is privatizing rather fervently as of late, and has people rioting in the streets, complaining about lack of economic equality and racism.

    The system you support rather inexorably, even if with a few bumps in our favor along the way, leads to more and more control by the wealthy.

    Thus, working outside of electoral politics with direct action is worthy of support, and all of your belittling of this effort, at this juncture, is serving the wealthy class.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 02:54:38 PM PST

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    •  actually (2+ / 0-)
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      history is replete with examples of the same revolutionary rhetoric either failing miserably or leading to revolutions that are mere shifts in who controls the reins, with the average person being no better off, and frequently worse off. non-violent direct action is usually worthy of support, and i never belittle it. i supported occupy on the front page, and i support the possibility of it rising again. and yes, as austerity and privatization movements arise and persist, they need to be opposed. sweden will suffer if it abandons its very successful recent social democratic history. that doesn't change the fact that social democratic movements have been greatly successful, but they are but evolutionary steps.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 04:49:39 PM PST

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      •  See the various responses below (0+ / 0-)

        by myself and others. There are better ways to structure society, but when the capitalist and fascist powers combine to insure the failure of non-conforming social organizations, its rather convenient to claim success on the part of the violent, hegemonic states, and the failure on the part of people who these same states set out to destroy through violence.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 06:04:09 PM PST

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