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  •  actually it does make sense (0+ / 0-)

    if you recognize cycles of violence as inherently self-defeating to any prospect of promoting social good. which i do.

    yes, different modes of living should be explored. but that's only the most basic way of expressing it. we need to promote the development and evolution of different modes of consciousness. anything else will but repeat historical patterns.

    what you continue not to face is that traditional modes of revolution and social change are not different. not historically different, nor even different from the power structures they are trying to bring down. socialism is vastly different than capitalism, but all economic systems and theories only touch certain aspects of the human experience, just as the hubris of political theorists tends to ignore the realities that most people live. which includes an indifference to all political theorizing, whether the official mythologies of the current power structures or the ideals and idols (and in some cases deliberately false ideals and idols) of those who would replace it in their own images.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 01:00:34 AM PST

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    •  Oh, that's claptrap (0+ / 0-)

      The way in which we organize profoundly affects every level of human society.

      Our way of relating to each other changes according to the economic system in such fundamental manner that I'm astounded at your dismissals.

      One system is based on mutual economic warfare, dog-eat-dog competition, the other on mutual aid, sharing, and cooperation.

      Capitalism and hierarchy pits us against each other in horribly insidious ways. The hierarchy is everywhere, from the workplace, to the apartment complex (the manager/owner vs the tenants), relations with fellow workers, which pit them competitively against each other for raises and favors from the boss, the mistreatment of people in lower levels of work hierarchy by higher ups, dealing with the police, and other forms of state authority, all of which alienates people from each other from a multitude of directions.

      And workers are forced into begging for employment (the application process), begging for housing (credit checks, income requirements), begging for raises, begging for time off, begging for better houses (qualifying for a mortgage), begging for entrance into better schools... all of which is competition of citizens against each other.

       And lets not forget the 870,000 homeless, the poverty the people going without food, dental care, and other needs.

      I could write on for pages about all the ways our system causes conflict, increased crime (most crime involves property), envy, and a pandora's box of various emotions which lead to incivility.

      In an egalitarian society most of this would be eliminated, and done so quite easily.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 01:34:09 AM PST

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      •  here's a clue (0+ / 0-)

        similar economic systems exist in cultures with vastly different social structures. to be most obvious, that's why you can have american neoliberals in both the theocratic and socially progressive camps. i'm sorry, but kropotkin couldn't have imagined the world we now have. and hierarchies exist in all manner of economic systems, and all lead to disparities and injustices. that's the problem with conceiving the world- and people- in self-limiting economic and materialistic terms. we could all but eliminate poverty and hunger within a year, and it would have nothing to do with employment or wages. but it won't happen through the traditional means of self-righteous theorists, who in the end merely want to replace one hierarchy with their own.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 02:56:27 AM PST

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