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  •  Goes both ways (0+ / 0-)

    Hierarchy is kept in place by violence. The State keeps its place by violence. No matter whether it is a symptom of consciousness, or the cause of it, or even circular, it is still maintaining the status quo by the force of violence.

    When enough people begin to awaken from the hundreds of years of history that have acculturated them to accept dominance, they will oppose it. This is what occurred in Spain. They had decades of preparation due to activists who helped educate people to what became known in Spain as "la idea".  Spain was different than the rest of Europe in embracing more widely anarchism rather than Marxism.

    The way this process can be helped along is by forming organizations, unions, and assemblies according to the model we would like to see in place in society. If our organizations are built on hierarchy and top down leadership, it reflects, whether you want to acknowledge this or not, an authoritarian mindset.

    We must create organizations which reflect who we are, what our consciousness is. And through these organizations, we can help to inform people of better alternatives.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 02:48:33 PM PST

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    •  let me make this very simple for you (0+ / 0-)

      the status quo IS violence, whether overt or through disenfranchisement and forced poverty and all other deliberate social ills. and that status quo will not be changed merely by musical chairs. of course, some don't really care at all about real change, and only want their chance at a chair.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 03:30:12 PM PST

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      •  Very good! (0+ / 0-)
        let me make this very simple for you (0+ / 0-)

        the status quo IS violence

        You've just lectured me with my own philosophy, a premise that has been part of anarchist theory since the inception.

        At least we agree, now, on one issue. What we don't agree on is that an egalitarian, non-hierarchical system would be the same thing. It wouldn't. Self defense against oppression? Certainly. Violence to force people into freedom? Not at all. Is defending the revolution against an insurgent ruling class who wants to bring back wage slavery violence? No, it is self defense against violence.

        Takes a bit of time to absorb new things, but think on it. Do some reading.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 05:07:42 PM PST

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        •  as i said (0+ / 0-)

          theory sometimes accurately identifies the symptoms. it won't cure the cause.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 05:18:22 PM PST

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          •  Well (0+ / 0-)

            The answer isn't to support the disease because you think there is no cure. Circular logic.

            If the disease is authority sustained by violence, then the answer is to work toward a non-authoritarian, egalitarian  system that gives respect and freedom to citizens.

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 05:50:27 PM PST

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            •  missing the point yet again (0+ / 0-)

              the disease is not authority and violence. those are symptoms. the answer is to stop using 19th century miracle elixirs or symptom-numbing opiates and start focusing on the causes.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 12:47:15 AM PST

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