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  •  You are assuming that all gun owners will support (5+ / 0-)
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    CenPhx, TXdem, revsue, corvo, jedennis

    recalling/voting out those who passed sensible gun safety regulations.

    There are an endless number of examples of gun owners who support sensible gun regulations.

    The challenge in passing sensible, rational gun safety legislation is in marginalizing the extremists - the "thou shalt not infringe" "let's march in holiday parades with our AR-15s" crowd.

    Gun safety legislation is the rational, sensible thing to do.

    •  you know, i'm not part of the ar-15 crowd (7+ / 0-)

      and would agree that both better enforcement of existing laws and some kind of new legislation would be in order. it wouldn't effect me one bit. but losing elections is a much bigger concern.

      Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

      by elkhunter on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 10:20:03 AM PST

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      •  Don't disagree - but losing elections is often (3+ / 0-)

        part of the process of getting good policy passed.

        If losing elections were taken out of the equation - what is the right thing to do?

        I think if the question is posed in that way, most Dems would say - 100% universal background checks, guns out the hands of domestic abusers, limit magazine capacity, which is what Colorado Dems did.

        Good for them. They didn't buy the BS from the NRA (nor give into the intimidation tactic) that background checks won't do any good in stopping criminals. They looked at the facts — background checks do stop criminals from getting guns, here's the proof:

        Little by little the NRA propaganda is being chipped away - you don't hear them claim "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" much any more - because they are being called on that BS.

        Just like the background check won't stop criminals BS.

        Bloomberg, Sandy Hook Promise, Gabby Gifford's group, Moms Demand Action, etc., are all pulling this issue and debate out into the open under some harsh sunlight - where it should be.

        •  shooting yourself in the foot without a gun (3+ / 0-)
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          Democrats now hold only a one-seat majority in the state senate. A successful recall of a Democrat would be enough to flip control to Republicans.
          it's not worth losing the state senate over

          Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

          by elkhunter on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 07:51:00 AM PST

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          •  When you say "teetering" - do you mean, the State (0+ / 0-)

            Senate is still in Dem hands? Hudak resigned and the Dems pick her replacement - and that'll be the case for any other Dem who is threatened with recall. Let the NRA and gun lobby waster their money collecting sigs, and if it gets to that point, the Dem resigns, Dems keep control and then we get to 2014 and a real election, not some BS in the shadows crap - the actual entire electorate can weigh in. I like those odds.

            •  that's a wimpy way to go (0+ / 0-)

              we need to win elections and be able to hold onto the seats without any retreat.

              the gop is full of dirty tricks and they'll only pull another out of their bag.

              Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

              by elkhunter on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 02:06:20 PM PST

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              •  Retreat? We passed gun safety legislation, (1+ / 0-)
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                remember - that's not retreat.

                And sometimes you have to hand-to-hand to keep power - so be it.

                The Colorado state GOP head told the recallers to stop and not go after Hudak - he said they would be guilty of looking extreme and overreaching, which just happens to be the exact charge they level at those who passed gun safety legislation.

                You want to win? Drive that fucking gun wedge further into the GOP!

                •  you're not just driving a wedge into the gop (0+ / 0-)

                  you're driving the wedge into the democrats and independents too. and you're not going to win anything that way. it's a great way to make sure the dems are on the outside looking in when it comes to developing future policy on everything, not just gun legislation.

                  choose your battles well.

                  “Orthodoxy is a relaxation of the mind accompanied by a stiffening of the heart.” ― Edward Abbey

                  by elkhunter on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 10:15:35 AM PST

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