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  •  Stunning hypocrisy from Morse (6+ / 0-)
    In Colorado we passed five common sense pieces of gun legislation including background checks and a magazine limit that requires a shooter to reload after cranking out 15 rounds.
    The part he leaves out is "unless you live in another state, because we made an exception that allows that evil Magpul company to keep making those evil 30-round magazines of child-killing as long as they're sold outside Colorado, presumably to other child-killers".

    Here's the provision from the bill that allows the continued manufacture of 30-round murder magazines in Colorado:

    A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after the effective date of the bill must include a serial number and the date upon which the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled. The serial number and date must be legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.
    So, as long as the manufacture/assembly date is cast on the magazine body, perfectly legal to make and export high-capacity schoolkid manglers to other states. Because a manufacture date stamped on the outside of a magazine totally would have stopped Sandy Hook from happening. Morse is scapegoating Magpul when this law he's crowing about specifically exempts an in-state manufacturer of 30-round magazines as long as they follow its provisions. "Principled leadership" indeed.
    •  So true - the gun lobby has such a tight grip (0+ / 0-)

      on the electorate that sensible legislation is sacrificed to the gun gods, and Morse did the write thing - don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. That's life in politics. Good for him.

      You sound like you write PR copy for the NRA.

      •  Really? (7+ / 0-)

        As I've told some of your peers, I haven't had an NRA membership for almost 20 years now. Accusations like this are just a way to shut down discussion by attacking the person when you can't argue with what they're saying.

        Nobody forced Morse to "sacrifice to the gun gods". He and the other legislators made their own decision on both the law and the exception they made for a company he's now lambasting as enabling a mass shooter. By his own logic, he and those other legislators are just as responsible as Magpul. There's a huge logical disconnect between "These magazines are only good for murder, so they should be illegal" and "We'll let you keep making them here as long as you sell them elsewhere.". You can call that NRA propagandizing all you want but that's not going to change the disingenuous nature of what Morse is saying.

        •  Blah, blah, blah - no need to discuss anything (0+ / 0-)

          here, it's just a non-stop merry-go-round and talk is cheap.

          Go make your case out in public, in front of voters in broad daylight and try to persuade them to see things your way in 2014 and 2016.

          •  Yes, talk is cheap (5+ / 0-)

            When the rubber met the road, Hudak didn't believe her case was strong enough with the public to weather a recall. Despite all the talk about how supposedly Colorado voters are on her side.

            •  A recall election is not a true election - she (0+ / 0-)

              saw the GOP abusing the recall process and trying to take back power. They paid $5 a signature - you don't think they were appealing to any and all people who have an axe to grind with the Dems - not just on guns, but on ANY issue.

              You can't be that naive, can you?

              •  it sure as hell is real (5+ / 0-)

                and the losses have us teetering on the edge of losing the state senate.

                Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

                by elkhunter on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 08:09:00 AM PST

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                •  That's politics. This is about passing rational, (1+ / 0-)
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                  sensible gun safety legislation - not winning elections for the sake of winning elections.

                  There was nothing radical about any of the policy passed, in fact the Colorado state GOP passed the same background check policy 10 years ago.

                  The problem lies with those wavering Dems such as the diarist who can't bring themselves to support doing the right thing and who continue to confuse people by equating gun safety legislation with gun confiscation.

                  •  that's politics&it's not about winning elections? (0+ / 0-)

                    what the heck is that supposed to mean??

                    to me it's about wishing in one hand, shitting in another and seeing which one fills up first. fantasy vs. reality.

                    i'm not saying anything about the specifics of the policy, i'm just saying it's not going to fly and the democratic party will only end up in worse shape if it pursues the matter.

                    colorado, as with healthcare the first policy should be to get our foot into the door before trying to make major changes. don't blow it while we are still a way purple state.

                    i care which way colorado goes, but it sounds like that doesn't matter to you.

                    Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

                    by elkhunter on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 02:01:25 PM PST

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                    •  I care about kids not having to participate (0+ / 0-)

                      in "active shooter" drills at school - WHAT PART OF "WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP WORLD DO WE LIVE IN WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE 4, 5, 6 YEAR OLDS ON UP HIDE IN CLOSETS AS SCHOOL TO PRACTICE THEIR SKILLS TO STAY ALIVE AGAINST A LUNATIC WITH AN AR-15 WITH 30+ ROUND CLIPS AND 100S OF ROUNDS OF AMMO" don't you get?

                      Honestly - WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP WORLD IS THIS? And you want to sit back and let that be the status quo?

                      Fuck you.

              •  Call for an election over a right, then reject (2+ / 0-)
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                the results of three elections.

                Stunning inconsistency.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 07:38:18 AM PST

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                •  Hey Frank - you're back! Welcome. I guess the (0+ / 0-)

                  call went out from NRA HQ and your answered it, well done.

                  About that recall - what's going on here is a pack of losers not getting their way, and instead of respecting the process - ie, recalling for a true indiscretion, they are using the recall as a way to gain power. In other words, they can't persuade a majority of people to see things their way in the real election, so they have to rely on underhanded, shadowy BS because that's all they've got.

                  BTW, I'm actually on the side of the Colorado state GOP, which has told the recallers to stop.

                  •  I am! Thanks for the welcome! (1+ / 0-)
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                    But about your post:

                    "instead of respecting the process"
                    There was a process. In fact, it is written in Colorado law.
                    It's called the 'recall process'. Though never used before in the 137 year history of Colorado, after your 'big winner', it has now been used three times in less than one year.

                    "as a way to gain power"
                    A way that your 'great idea' opened the door for.

                    "they can't persuade a majority of people to see things their way"
                    Not before your 'big winner'. Now, even in districts that voted for Obama by 19 points & with a 6-1 spending advantage, Democrats can't even manage to keep from losing elections in non-election years.

                    "underhanded, shadowy BS"
                    It was hardly 'shadowy', in fact it was a national fucking news story. Apparently you missed it.

                    "I'm actually on the side of the Colorado state GOP, which has told the recallers to stop."
                    And you handed them 3 victories.
                    Great Job.
                    But glad to see that you have already contradicted yourself about this being done some 'shadowy' group 'looking to gain power', and you have acknowledged that it is their constituents that are spearheading the recalls.

                    "what's going on here is a pack of losers..."
                    A pack of three, to be exact.
                    A pack of three that lost their jobs, thanks to you.

                    "the call went out from NRA HQ"
                    Yes. And they had to send their best for such a genius post.
                    Well played, worthy adversary.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:06:32 PM PST

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          •  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't (5+ / 0-)

            come from here, and you have no skin in this game. It's our legislature, and we've taken a long time to get it so we have both houses, and some outsider saying "blah blah blah" really doesn't cut it.

            If you had something to contribute to the comments or the CO Democratic prospects that would be great, but "blah blah blah" is less than useless.

            Let me know when you can start helping to elect Democrats here.

            “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

            by ban nock on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 08:49:42 AM PST

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            •  Hey Ban Nock - looks like you called in the posse (0+ / 0-)

              to swoop in a few days after your post, sort of like the recallers who can't win a real election and have to do it in the shadows.

              And, could you do me a favor and stop saying that gun safety legislation will lead to confiscation. That's muddying the waters and lying about the intent of gun safety advocates.

              Thanks much.

              And, if you paid much attention to Colorado politics, you'd know I'm actually on the side of the state GOP, which has told the recallers to stop.

              •  ban nock didn't say it. (2+ / 0-)
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                The Senator that introduced the most recent gun ban, (voted on earlier this year) did.
                "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that."--Diane Feinstein

                "gun safety"
                Gun safety is the safe handling of firearms.
                What you are espousing is 'Gun Control'--' regulation of the selling, owning, and use of guns '-Merriam-Webster
                But great job accusing others of 'muddying the waters' while you are unable to use the actual definitions of words.

                "I'm actually on the side of the state GOP"
                You most certainly are.
                After all, you insist on a policy that has managed to get 3 Democrats recalled.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:20:31 PM PST

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                •  Now, now Franklin - aren't you the one who (0+ / 0-)

                  proclaims its a mortal sin to take people's liberty away for anything. Yes, you did say that. Of course, you're a complete hypocrite because you claim to have voted for Obama - King of the NSA.

                  Now, why don't you just admit the gun lobby pays you to post here.

                  Actually, Ban Nock, did say that - try reading, it helps.

                  Gun safety legislation rules!!!!!

                  And, again, try reading - the Colorado state GOP has asked the lunatic recallers to stop - something about looking extreme and overreaching.

                  See, the real idiots in all of this you people such as yourself and the diarist who cannot grasp the concept of a wedge issue - FYI, IT'S THE GOP WHO IS AT WAR WITH EXTREME CONSERVATIVES OVER GUN SAFETY.

                  You morons are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

              •  Hilarious (1+ / 0-)
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                And, could you do me a favor and stop saying that gun safety legislation will lead to confiscation. That's muddying the waters and lying about the intent of gun safety advocates.
                Wouldn't be half as funny reading this if so many of your "gun safety advocates" weren't either on record as wanting confiscation or if their ideal models for "gun safety" weren't all countries that actually enacted confiscation. Please continue to treat people like they're barely-conscious morons, it's a winning strategy.
                •  I love those make em' ups - universal background (0+ / 0-)

                  checks, limits on magazine capacity, keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, requiring cancel carry permitting to be done in person - wow, radical stuff, the second coming of Hiltler or something, right?

                  Nice try again Merty.

                  Hilarious!

    •  Absolutely stupid law (6+ / 0-)

      Colorado residents can cross the border and buy 30 round magazines in sporting goods stores with no restrictions.  If they can find them, that is.  So many are being purchased that they sell out as soon as a shipment arrives.  Popular calibers of ammunition are the same.  My local stores haven't had 22 ammunition on the shelf for months, and they restrict sales to two boxes of any single caliber per person.  They get ammunition in and sell out in a matter of hours.  I'm actually surprised that tag-holders found enough ammunition to sight in and hunt with this year, because the only thing consistently available is for shotguns.

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