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  •  Re education and intelligence: (32+ / 0-)

    I have a friend who's a bona fide rocket scientist. Got his PhD from MIT. He and his similarly-educated wife thought it was perfectly fine for Sarah Palin to be a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency. Fortunately a "non-degreed/non-rocket scientist" citizen was able to cancel his vote. ;-) Twice!

    •  The father of a good friend of mine (30+ / 0-)

      has a Masters and Phd from Berkeley and Stanford in engineering and yet is (or was last time I spoke to him) a rabid winger who's convinced that Dems have a secret agenda to make our children gay.

      It's not about intellect. It's about psychology and identity.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 05:14:10 PM PST

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      •  And they think we're crazy for the same reasons (2+ / 0-)
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        we think they're crazy.


        Believe nothing. Question everything.

        by Selphinea on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 09:00:18 PM PST

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      •  education, intelligence and politics (0+ / 0-)

        I have spent a lot of time on university campuses, and let me make a couple of observations. The first is that intelligence  is not necessarily general, at least not once people pour themselves into a career. People who are brilliant within their specialty are not necessarily astute outside their fields. They make errors in logic they would never make in their research fields and are often very uninformed and unsophisticated about human affairs, including politics. (There is some research on the lack of generality of problem solving skills among experts when they are outside their areas of expertise). The commentator who spoke about the differences between engineers and liberal arts in the way they think is also onto something, although I would expand that idea to take in physical scientists as well as engineers. (and obviously, these generalization do not hold hold true for all engineers or physical scientists). Many scientists are also not very good at dealing with the complexities of human feelings and actions and often take things at face value.

        I also have had experience trying to organize faculty to take part in a strike in a university. Not only me, but everyone else I worked with observed that those in the sciences tended to be very conservative and not very willing to challenge authority in an active way. Biologists (and I suspect theoretical physicists--were most likely to be the exception to this rule.)

        •  I'm inclined to agree (1+ / 0-)
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          When I entered college I intended to get a CS degree in my university's engineering school. I ended up getting one, but soon realized that I wouldn't be content with just that. Not only was the curriculum too restricted (mostly of necessity although I also felt that it focused too much on theory and too little on practice, especially odd given that it was taught as an engineering discipline, but that's a different discussion), but I felt really out of place in the engineering school, especially the non-CS majors (CS majors tended to be nerdier and smarter IMO and a bit easier for me to relate to since I went to a science and math HS that had lots of smart nerds), who tended to be buttoned-down and conservative and rarely seemed to smile or enjoy learning and discovering (I can easily imagine most of them being Repubs).

          Long story short, I ended up also getting a history degree from the Arts & Sciences college, which I greatly enjoyed and which put me in a social and cultural setting I felt a lot more comfortable in, and still do to this day. The liberal arts outlook is how I generally see and relate to the world, even though I also have a math, science and engineering background and nature. And I can definitely see the liberal arts-liberal and engineering-conservative divide. The engineers I knew in college seemed so straight-laced and anal, unable or unwilling to see the world and its people and problems in all their complexity in ways that couldn't always be quantified or resolved systematically. Definitely more along the conservative than liberal end of the spectrum.

          So, yes, I agree with you.

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 01:55:46 PM PST

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    •  Engineers are sometimes the worst (5+ / 0-)
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      They're trained to see the world in black and white, rather than the shades of gray that liberal arts grads learn to see in everything.

      This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

      by Ellid on Thu Nov 28, 2013 at 04:44:50 AM PST

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